tahini:
The arrogance of those thinking they are not meant to serve because they protect Yiddishkeit with their learning and observance is breathtaking. There are plenty of soldiers who keep mitzvot and do their army service, or if they wish opt out and do a communal voluntary posting instead.
This has absolutely nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with halacha. One is not supposed to stop learning Torah to fulfill a mitza she’efshar laasos al yiday acharim, a mitzva that will be done by somebody else. Perhaps you should do a little more research before you start hurling around insults.
Speak to Israeli social workers about child abuse or domestic violence in places like meah shearin and they will tell of you a community that will riot against the police or medical crews, but not stop internal suffering amongst their own weakest and most vulnerable.
Ah; insults, loshon hara/motzei sheim ra, and disparaging generalizations. Sinas chinom at its best.
I cannot understand the concept of those engaged in Torah learning being disengaged from the world around them
Well, let me try to explain it to you. The theory is that one who does nothing except for learn Torah, will by definition be learning more than somebody who is also doing something else. Crazy, I know.
Fear of breaking away with traditions which are in themselves only recent minhagim dominate the charedi rabbonim, who politically are busy using imagined slights against Gadolim to canvass opinion against the State as well as each other.
So bashing the Charaidim in general isn’t enough for you? You feel the need to go disparage their Rabbonim too?
Israel is a young new country and needs all hands on deck to make things work.
That is simply not true. The Israeli Army does not want or need the Charaidim to serve; they have said so themselves.
Right now Satmar are campaining in Israel against the elections, people here in the CR are saying that Satmar are taking nothing from the State. Well who is paying for the policing and security bill for this grand show against the evil zionists?
Actually, they hired private security.
Miriam:
Why is the child of a Haredi more precious than a child of any other Israeli?
Nobody besides you has claimed anything remotely like that.
Learning is very important and so is serving.
True. Now, let’s try to figure out how can get the most of both: If we were to require the Charaidim to serve in the army, it result in less learning and no additional serving (the chillonim would simply have to spend less time enlisted). However, if we do not draft the Charaidim we will end up with more learning, and the same amount of people serving in the army.
mdd:
Kanoi, theconflict was brought by the creation of the Medinah, but so was the flow of cash to the Yeshivos. It is very crooked to accept and use only those aspects of the Medinah that are beneficial.
Again, the Charaidim who refuse to serve in the army at all are the same ones who do not take any government funds. There is no hypocrisy here.
benignuman
However, the Chareidim (other than those in Nachal Hacharedi) are not risking their lives.
Neither are the generals; but without them, the army would be an absolute disaster.
Health:
you don’t have a Frum upbringing, only a MO one.
That’s disgusting.