Reply To: Klerr about Kavua

hello99 –

I’m thinking about what you wrote, and this is what’s coming out.

1) The Pri Chadash and the Ri MiKinon: I already figured this from the end of Tosafos in Zevachim 73b ?”? ???. This was my whole question, how are they nikkar, and the only good answer I could think of was bris, which would exclude women. Hence my klerr.

2) The Minchas Yaakov and the Pleisi are arguing on Tosafos. I am wondering how to deal with Tosafos. Besides, how do they address how every chad betrei is not a problem of kavua?

3) Suggesting like the Pleisi, the Maadanei Yom Tov, and R’ Moshe, that human knowledge somehow automatically makes it nikkar, is lehedya not like Tosafos, because Tosafos in Nazir is coming to say that mid’oraisa all the women in the world are not considered kavua because the issur one is not nikkar. Refer to #2.

4) The Bach and Yad Yehuda: Nice lomdus, but not really addressing the question at hand.

In simple terms: Tosafos is clear that a ‘mixture’ of human beings is shayach to kavua when the issur is nikkar, and not shayach when it is not nikkar. Accepting these premises as Tosafos does, I want to know if a mixture of Jews and non-Jews will have a nafka mina in din if the Jews are men or women, and if not, explain how Jews are nikkar from non-Jews even while in other mitures of humans we can say the issur is not nikkar.