Reply To: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant

@hakatan

I have not ignored chazal. I’m explaining the words Kievan shenitan in accordance with an opinion of the gemarra. I’ve looked at the gemarra and there are numerous opinions on it. Few if any say that it means that people get “caught in the net” of the punishment of others.

Some, like the iyun yaakov I have quoted, interpret this as meaning that it is an “eis” of din, and that anyone can be caught in it, should they have what deserves din.

You are saying that kosher people can get punished due to the transgressions of others, and goyish transgressions can cause yidden to be punished for the goyim’s aveiros.

The interpretation I’m applying says that the “reshaim” can cause an “eis” of din to come down, and that means that everyone gets judged at that time based upon their own behaviors.

To summarize, there is a concept of Kievan shenetan, what does it mean and how does it apply?

It is a major machlokes in the rishonim and achronim, and I’ve only touched the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks for providing me with the maarei makom. I’ve looked at it, enjoyed seeing the discussion and will attempt to look at it again when time allows