2scents, you say “if you would attend geriatric emergency you will unfortunately find a lot of children that would be OK that their elderly parents die” i have attended several, I have never seen that (though i have no doubt it ocurs frequently) What I have seen several times is people pounding on a clearly hopeless pateints chest, bruising and breaking ribs in the process, when all are aware and all stattics show that the attempt was futile just to make the family feel good. There is no question in my mind that this is nivul hames. This is beside the point though.
Daniella, The conversation is going in circles allow me to break it down and please let me know where I have it wrong:
1) There are some situations where cpr is innapropriate. In those situations even someone trained in Cpr would be justified in withholding cpr (and perhaps even be wrong for perforimng cpr, though note these last 2 staments say two diferent things you can accept one and not the other.)
2) The facility she was in had a policy in place when she entered, that she was made aware of, that they would not perform cpr in the case of an arrest, but would call 911.
3) The patient/family agreed to be entered in the home, thus agreeing to the above policy.
4) She had a Cardiac arrest at the facility
5) The nurse at the facility followed the facility’s policy, and thus the patient’s wishes (see #3 above)and called 911 but refused to perform cpr.
Which point do I have wrong?