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zdad:

“The GOP recently comissioned a report and why they lost. The haredim would be wise to act similary although not much research is given.”

It’s really not that complicated: Bennet allied with Lapid, making it impossible for Netanyahu to form a coalition including the Chareidim. Case closed.

“Surely you and excommunicatre and throw the children out of school of Sikirim who spit and taunt 8 year old girls.”

The Chareidim are not one homogenous group, and the extremists have their own shuls, schools, etc. The people spitting on little girls are the same one spraying “Shteinman = Kook” graffiti in Meah Shearim/Ramat Bais Shemesh (apparently, “Kook” is the biggest insult they can think of). These people are the “Open Orthodoxy” of the Chareidi world; there’s really not much that can be done about them.

“You dont win friends when you call people Goyim, Haters of Torah etc who do not agree with you. Especially when their views are certainly within Halachic boundaries”

That I do agree with. The Chareidim need to come across as less belligerent if they want to make long-term friends.

yichusdik:

“talmidim and kollel learners reach heights of dveykus and amilus in Torah learning, and then get in a tank or a jeep and protect Jewish lives. They aren’t in bnei brak.”

Yeah, in Bnei Brak they just learn all day. Not sure why you seem to think that that’s inferior to learning and serving.

“It is the opportunity we have to demonstrate to the eibishter that we can be a complete people, not a collection of individuals doing individual mitzvos.”

Personally, I’d rather be an individual who observes Torah u’Mitzvos than be part of a “complete people” who do not accept upon themselves the yoke of Torah observance. But apparently, I can only speak for myself.

It is an egregious, yet smug and self satisfying lie to insist that the creation and continued existence of the State of Israel has solved all of our problems, and now all we have to do is sing kumbaya together.

“forgive me for seeing the ikveso demeshicho”

I agree that current events, what with us returning to both our land and to Torah study en masse, is probably (and hopefully) ikvisa di’mishicha. But that doesn’t whitewash the Medina’s rather mixed record towards Torah and those who observe it.