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1. Bachurim from Gush also wear white shirts and black pants. They are not required to, but I know many who do so voluntarily. Furthermore, I don’t understand your assumption that Gush boys would certainly have helped this girl. Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

2. Most likely the conversation started out regarding travel tips and then took a tangent. Have you never heard of such a thing as a tangent? You obviously don’t spend much time in the CR.

3. So people who are yeshivish never have ANYTHING negative to say about others who are yeshivish, just like people who are modern never have ANYTHING negative to say about others who are modern? If someone does something that is genuinely hurtful and determined to be wrong (I am not saying the bachurim in this story are definitively wrong, but let’s just posit for a second that they are) and no names are involved, why wouldn’t a yeshivish woman tell this story? In fact, if popa is correct and this seminary girl would have been embarrassed had the bachurim helped her, she is probably pretty yeshivish. Obviously I am not advocating lashon hara, but sometimes you just need to vent about something and there is absolutely no way to find out who these bachurim are.

4. See #2. Also, I really don’t think she was advocating not sending girls to Israel. If she wanted her friend to take anything away from the story (which is not necessarily true) it could be to pack lighter, or to advise her daughter that Israelis DO speak good English and she should feel comfortable asking (a point alluded to in the OP’s subsequent post).

5. You don’t know who the person is or how she would have told the story if she were yeshivish. You don’t even know how she DID tell the story; you only have a secondhand account from the person who heard the story. You are mamash fabricating things. Furthermore, I am very, very much offended that you would so blatantly and incorrectly state that only the yeshivish keep shomer negiah. I do not personally identify as yeshivish and I am very careful not to use the term “ultra-Orthodox” because I find it to be denigrating to the yeshivish crowd. But I keep shomer negiah, and most of my community does as well.

I would appreciate an apology.