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I have worked with the “at risk” population for many years and have had much nachos from all the children I have been connected to.

I’m sure. If you respect each and every one of them regardless of their actions then of course you will have much nachas from each and every one of them.

If you mean to say that they all become frum in the end, I am very skeptical when you talk like that . I know for a fact that some people do not want to change to the good no matter how much help they’ve recieved or acceptence they got.

So let me begin with this. NO ONE but HASHEM has the right to “JUDGE” anyone

As far as I know I have not used the term “judging” OTD. I have shared my opinion of why I feel these kids went off the derech. I’m not judging them as to how big their nisoyan was, what there nisoyan was, what their problems were or whatever else is involved in judging. I am stating a perfectly rational opinion that the Torah talks about – the bechira of each human to choose his spiritual path. And I have repeatedly said one can change any time.

The rest of your post always works in theory. But everyone is different it might work for some, while for others the acceptance of how they live their lives OTD makes them complacent and unchanging. If it were that simple as you make it seem, I guarantee you we would not countless Jews leaving Yiddishkeit throughout the hundreds of years that we are in gulos and beforehand too.

Again as far as I know, I have not said that I’m judging OTD’s. If I have used that term I made a mistake. Only Hashem can judge others. I definitely agree with you on that.

However, again, my opinion is that each of us have bechira, each of us can choose his spiritual path, as Hashem says “I am putting in front of you life or death. Choose life.”

And again I’m not saying that whatever one is at 18 they cannot change. I have repeatedly said we can any spiritual path as long as we are alive.

Just as one has the bechira to choose the wrong path, bechira can be used to change course. Bechira is not just there when we choose to do good as some of you are implying.

Therefore, I do not believe in excuses for choosing the wrong path. It doesn’t mean I’m judging anybody. I just believe in bechira and don’t believe that Hashem would give nisyones to others without giving them the power to overcome it. I think this is the basis of Yiddishkiet.