OOMIS, you and I are at the stage of grandparents. We have seen a lot and have garnered a lot of knowledge.
My parent and grandparent who are extremely verbally, emotionaly and sometimes also physically abusive people always used to say when I was older and didn’t want to give in to their crazy demands, that “we are older and wiser than you. Who are you anyway?” they said. “Ah kleinah shnuck”.
Listen, aries, age doesn’t make up for lack of intelligence.
He has a lot to learn and letting go of the stubbornness and the Need to be Right is one of the things he has yet to learn.
As I suspected, you are not a good observer of facts. Under my posting name you can see whether I’m a he or she.
At this point his need to be right supersedes all else including common sense so I refuse to discuss and/or argue any further points with him.
It might very well be that the one who has a need to be right which supercedes all else including common sense may be you.
My parent who abused me and has mental disease used to say on their brothers and sisters “They’re crazy, I’m the only normal one in the family.”
It’s true about my extended family being crazy. My parent’s siblings are either abusers, depressed or angry people, and so they’re all crazy in a way. But so is my parent.
In the same vein, people who constantly label those who they disagree with as not having or using their common sense, fall short of common sense as well.
There are many well meaning Rabbonim who have no clue what-so-ever how to deal with these children and they do much more harm than good.
You mean those who disagree with your idea of nachas which is just to keep kids physically healthy.
Their ideas of nachas means the end result of seenig OTD kids leading frum lives and they have a different metthod of helping teens reach that goal.
The Rabbonim, psychologists, pediatricians, physcians (all frum) who are involved in this parsha all agree that the first step in bringing these children home is keeping them safe. The next step is getting them healthy both physcially and emotionally. At that point they can begin the process of spiritual healing.
None of us with different shittas regarding not respecting the choices OTD make disagree with that.
Also, while you make it sound as if everyone who was helped will automatically make a turnabout, reality is far from what you are implying.
So yes for all those wondering it is true nachas when a child is healthy, clean and sober. And for anyone with teens and older, you can understand when I say it is nachas to be off a suicide watch.
I don’t think that that is true nachas.
A teen off suicide watch may still very much be mechalel Shabbos, be immoral, and be oiver halachas for the rest of his life.
Nachas should be those who have come back to Yiddishkeit.
It gives me great pleasure to announce that one of my boys (with me for just shy of 7 years) is engaged!
Mazel Tov! If they are frum, may they merit to build a binyan adie ad. And if they are not, may they merit returning l’Avinu sheboshumayim.