Thanks DY for bumping that thread. It has become very relevant very fast.
The point I have been unsuccessfully making is that even though talking to the people who leave may give us good insight into what the shortcomings are, there are also serious caveats that need to be included.
Included in that is the fact that the people who leave have all sorts of dynamics going on inside their heads to justify why they left post-hoc. The reasons they say may not be the real reasons they left, and the perceptions they claim may not have really been perceived.
Include in this the fact that people who are so unhappy with their life that they make huge upheavals and abandon their former social circles and family are highly likely to have all sorts of issues.
Moreover, even if their observations are relevant and helpful, there is no reason why their recommendations for change are at all relevant or helpful. They don’t have any special insight in what might make it better, and certainly don’t have any insight in how to balance their concern against all sorts of counterbalancing concerns.
Because of that, I don’t find the information from OTD people particularly useful. And I don’t find their recommendations worth listening to at all.