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    Yabia Omer
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    Why don’t Ashkenazim say Baruch Hu ubaruch Shemo when someone is making Birkot Hatorah in an Aliyah?

    #1726113

    Reb Eliezer
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    I say it.

    #1726312

    Yabia Omer
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    Interesting. Whenever I have been to an Ashkenaz shul, they’ll say Amen but not BHUBS.

    #1726398

    one man band
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    Ashkenazim also don’t say BHUB in magen avos on Shabbos. why not?

    #1726479

    1man: Ashkenazim also don’t say BHUB in magen avos on Shabbos… because it is a hefsek and one must not speak out till after kaddish tiskabel/kaddish sholem as stated in Sh.A.

    Likewise one cannot answer it during psukei d’zimra because it is not a “complete” obligation – per Igros Moshe O.Ch 2, s. 98; Yabia Omer vol 2, s. .

    #1726491

    iacisrmma
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    We dont say it on shabbos since we want to count them as part of our 100 brochos (Mishna Berurah 46:14)
    and when you are being yotzer with someone elses brocha you dont say BHUBS.

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14170&st=&pgnum=147

    #1726498

    Yabia Omer
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    But how can an oleh’s Birkot Hatorah count for you? What is being motzi you for? It’s his Aliyah.

    #1726500

    The Gra did not recite ברוך הוא וברוך שמו because it may prevent answering amen (Maaseh Rav, 43) or because he considered it to be a hefsek (Tosefes Maaseh Rav).

    The Shu”T Rosh (4, s. 19) states that his father said ברוך הוא וברוך שמ at each brocha he heard:
    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1961&st=&pgnum=30

    The Torah Temima (Devorim ch 32, s”k 36) cites the Chareidim that relies on a medrash that requires saying ברוך הוא וברוך שמו at each brocha, leaving him wondering what Ashkenazim rely on to omit saying it, then cites the GRA. (see 4 lines from bottom of page):
    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14082&st=&pgnum=482

    #1726514

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I thought this thread was about בית הלל & בית שמאי from the title

    #1726515

    Firstly and formost, he is being motzee you with the 100 brochos. Second and just as important, don’t you give him a yasher koach or Chazak uBaruch for “doing” the aliyah? – fufilling for you your chiyuv of the kriyah (which Reb Moshe paskens is on the YOCHID, in contrast to posters here that take positions contrary to the posek haDor)..

    #1726531

    CA – no, it’s about ברכה הצלחה וברוך שפטרני

    #1726536

    Reb Eliezer
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    It says that the oleh should not say chazak chazak until he says the last brocho.

    #1726539

    Reb Eliezer
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    It can be a chiyuv on the tzibur and still a chiyuv on the oleh but not a chyuv on others if ten people listen.

    #1726540

    Reb Eliezer
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    The same way as we praise a tzadik when we mention his name, we must praise Hashem. The Sefer Chasidim says that for this reason we should not say Hashem but Hashem Yisborach.

    #1726563

    Yabia Omer
    Participant

    Excuse me but someone who goes up for an Aliyah is not fulfilling any Mitzvah or Bracha for anyone but himself. And I give a Chazak Ubaruch for meriting an Aliyah, not for being motzi me in anything.

    #1726397

    The GRA was against it. Talmidei HaGRA do not say it at all. It creates a hefsek in listening to the uninterrupted bracha. With the brochas that we hear we are yotzeh various things (like making 100 brochas a day). BTW, even Sefardim do not say BH uBSH when they hear someone make a brocha shehakol or mezonos on food, which does not follow their shitah! (As per Shulchan Aruch OC 124:5 they SHOULD say it!)

    #1726572

    Reb Eliezer
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    coffee addict, because of anivus of Beis Hillel they allowed Beis Shamai first in order to hear an opposite view before they decide on their view to arrive to the truth, so it could not be Beis Hillel and Beis Shamai because Beis Shamai would have come first.

    #1726577

    ZionGate
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    Chazak Ubaruch for meriting the Aliyah makes sense.
    The Ashkenazic Shkoyach which connotes “thank you ” is presumably for the Mi Shebeirach when the Oleh mentions and blesses another congregant’s name. The original Yasher Kochacho which morphed into Shkoyach is similar to your Chazak . Maybe that’s how it happened.

    #1726599

    Chill pill. The oleh said borchu which allowed you to sanctify Hashem’s name. He then made a brocha to which you were enabled to answered amen. Chazal say Godol ha’ona amen yoser me’hamevorech (your amen is greater than his brocha – but you were enabled by h uhh s brocha). Then because he made the brocha, you heard words of Torah. ..does the Oleh not deserve a great big yasher koach?! Look how much he did for you!

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