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  • January 2, 2012 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #601462
    computer777
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    Is it necessary to answer Amein to be yotzer someone else’s bracha?

    January 2, 2012 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #841026
    Sam2
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    It’s not necessary, you’re Yotzei B’dieved, but why would you not?

    January 2, 2012 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #841027
    computer777
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    Sam2: what you’re saying is your not yotzei l’chatchila?

    If the chazaras hashatz doesn’t allow time to say amein in the right time while repeating shemoneh esrei, why then is it considered a bracha levatala? According to what you’re saying b’dieved it should be ok. But it’s not. What is the difference?

    (For certain the first one if not answered ok is a bracha l’vatala, the others maybe)

    January 3, 2012 2:26 am at 2:26 am #841028
    Sam2
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    Sorry. You are Yotzei the Bracha that you make whether or not someone answers Amen. (And it’s not actually a Bracha Levatalah if no one answers Chazaras Hashatz.) If you want someone else to be Motzi you with their Bracha, then you are Yotzei even if you don’t answer Amen, though of course you have an obligation to answer Amen (just as when you hear any Bracha).

    January 3, 2012 3:53 am at 3:53 am #841029
    computer777
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    from: halachafortoday.com

    Reader’s Question:

    I just davened mincha and for most of the brachos, the chazzan didn’t leave even a tiny pause between finishing one bracha and starting then next one.

    I heard that one needs to say Amen before the chazzan starts the next bracha and if he says it afterward, it is an Amen Yesoma.

    First I want to clarify if this is indeed correct. if it is, would this also affect the chazzan’s brachas being L’vatala?

    Answer:

    This is a huge problem indeed.

    The halacha is that the Shatz may not proceed with the next bracha until at least the majority of the Tzibur (and in certain cases, where the bracha is an obligation such as shofar, Kidush etc. the entire Tzibur) has answered Amen.

    Many Poskim rule that Chazaras Hashatz today has a status like a Bracha that needs to be heard, and thus the entire Tzibur must be done answering Amen.

    Answering Amen after the Shatz is already a few words into the next Bracha is an Amen Yesoma and should not be answered, as its better to not answer Amen than to Chas V’Shalom answer an Amen Yesoma that has punishments attached to it.

    The Rav/gabbai of each shul should indeed make sure that people davening for the Amud are aware that they must slow down and not start the next Bracha until all (or at least most) of the Tzibur responded Amen to the last Bracha.(See Shulchan Aruch Siman 124:8 and 9 and Mishna Berura S”K 31-38. See also Biur Halacha Dibur

    Hamaschil Miyad Shekala.)

    This applies to Kaddish as well.

    Regarding Bracha L’Vatalah, if the first Bracha of Chazaras Hashatz didn’t have 9 people answer Amen to it properly, indeed it is a Bracha L’Vatalah. The rest of the Brachos, may also be Brachos L’Vatalos, or at least close to it. (See Shulchan

    Aruch Siman 124:4 and Shu”t Minchas Shlomo end of Siman 10)

    January 3, 2012 3:59 am at 3:59 am #841030
    Sam2
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    That is not necessarily true. An Amen Yesomah is if you answer after Toch K’dei Dibbur. Sometimes the Chazzan speaks faster than the average speech of people. You have the same amount of time to answer Amen (in regards to Amen Yesomah) whether or not the Chazzan continues. There is a separate issue that it is Assur to speak during Chazaras Hashatz, and thus it is not permitted to answer Amen after the Chazzan has begun the next Bracha.

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