May 7, 2018 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1517474
Anyone familiar with cheders in givat zeev and could give a breakdown of them? Also for both givat zeev and ramot what if any options exist for a cheder in the charedi misgeret but in a derech that would eventually lead to the Bagrut?May 8, 2018 6:19 am at 6:19 am #1517575
What you’re asking for is an oxymoron, there is no chareidi cheder worth its salt that would dream to eventually lead to bagrut. Please clarify what you’re looking for, or bagrut or chareidi.May 8, 2018 9:38 am at 9:38 am #1517630
Not necessarily, Nechomah. There are chadarim, albeit on the far end of the chariedi spectrum, that give more extensive/solid limudei chol. I don’t know about givat zev or ramot, but where I live there are many types of chadarim. There are a couple where it is not unusual for the boys to go on to a Yeshiva Ketana like Maarava or Nehorah where Bagriyot are an option. I have heard of a similar cheder in Har Nof. While some would not consider these “real” chadarim by Israeli standards, for a chutznik/new oleh, they may be very much what they are used to and want for their kids.May 8, 2018 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1517618
Nechomah, sorry I wasn’t being specific enough. Let me phrase it this way: I’m interested in a cheder that would not be called charedi by some because it would teach skills to set kids on track to do bagrut someday (as well as potentially make a living without having to do it under the table), yet said school is populated by charedi students.
edited!May 8, 2018 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1517792
As far as I know their are no Chadorim like that in Yerushalayim. The schools that Winnethepooh is referring to are out of Yerushalayim. Yerushalmim usually stick to Chareidi standards. You can see that also in the statistics of the boys from Yerushalayim that are in the big yeshivt tichonot: Yishuv, Maarava and Nehora. Also there is no mainstream Yeshiva tichonit in Yerushalayim, they are all at least a half hour drive away.May 8, 2018 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1517882
Beit Raban fits this description, as does Dibrot Moshe, in Har Nof.
Many boys from these schools go to Chedvat HaTorah, in the old Ehyat building behind Shaarei Revacha, for kitot zayin, chet, and mechina/yeshiva ketana.May 9, 2018 6:24 am at 6:24 am #1518015
while Chaver is correct in that Yerushalayim is more traditional, which goes back to the days of the Old Yishuv’s fight against the attempts to change the yeshiva curriculum by outsiders, and that yeshivas teaching secular studies were banned from the city, you will find some exceptions to that today, as onetime mentioned- generally these schools do not scream out to the public about what they do. Givat Zeev is outside of Yerushalayim, is a newer community with lots of Anglos and I would not be surprised if there existed something of the nature that assurnet described. “Out of town” communities tend to be more relaxed and have a wider range of types. Sorry I don’t know anything specific about these areas though.May 9, 2018 6:24 am at 6:24 am #1518019
Rosh Hagiva in givat zeevMay 10, 2018 7:51 am at 7:51 am #1518885
Hexkey, thanks – do you happen to have any more details about Rosh Hagiva?
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