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is this it? The one that says if a woman counted sefira then she should if she knows how?
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14423&st=&pgnum=326
RebbG,etc.
Go for it.But not ad hoc. Make it as official as the men
have the first night for the men
second night for the womenRG, everything you don’t understand seems funny to you. Thet want to satisfy everything being up and davening properly.
Reb G: No
i dont see the humor……I look around shul at all the people sleeping who stayed up at night and understand those who go to sleep for 3 or 4 hours. I don’t know about you but I dont recall alos being the time that one can daven l’chatchila. Was Maamad Har Sinai at Alos or Haneitz?To quote the Magen Avraham by sittiing for Tefilin when put on the hand, kabalah does not trump halacha.
RG, We mentioned before it is not a mitzva to be up. It is kabalah. No halacha in SA to be up because there is no gemora. The Beer Hetev quotes the Ari Z’l. Are you mixed up like davening shatz with a beard?
Rebbetzin golden – funny way you have of showing respect. If it was good enough for The Rebbe, it should be good enough for you. You and all your gedaylim can snooze through davening on Shovuos, it’s probably the same as you daven all year.
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If I’m not mistaken ( correct me if I’m wrong), kabolas hatorah nowadays is at krias hatorah when we hear the eseres hadebrois. Not at alois.
And lechatchila we don’t daven before nietz. So there’s no problem to go to sleep.
But anyways we’re up at alois and we go to mikava right before, so we only end up going to sleep to time after alois, so even if kabalas hatorah is then we aren’t sleeping then.When I was growing up in South Africa, we had a very long Shvuos night. It’s the middle of winter, nacht is around 6pm and the earliest you can daven shachris is around 6am. So you have after the seuda 9 or 10 hours to learn. There were a lot of programs for men and women.
That is called staying up all night.Rebbetzin golden – wow, nice how u scream at everyone to have respect for minhogim and kreizen but you can talk with such zilzul about the minhag supported by Rabboseinu Nesieinu. Disgusting the way you talk.
RG, If you meant to say that davening is a mitzva, I go to sleep before I am mechuyav.
And The Rebbe, Nesi Doreinu Shlita, is by you nothing? If He davens at the regular time, eilov tishmo’un!
during sleep the head is on the same level as the digestive system in the body and the mind dream of illogical/silly things: pila b’kupa d’machta – an elephant walking through the eye of a needle)
Again, arguing with chazal.
The gemora says no-one ever dreamt such a thing.
Yet you open your sewer and spout it out as if it’s a normal thing.
Stop arguing with chazal
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