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The same is true of Ashkenazim.
Probably less than 20% of all jews in the world.
Ok I get the joke. Good one.
The vast majority of Sephardim are right-handed. The same is true of Ashkenazim.
The Wolf
Oh dear. Can I do teshuva and start donning them tomorrow?
The ideal number for both would be 50%.
Probably 10% of American Jews put on Tefilin. And most of them are NOT Sephardic.
“Less than 50% of Sephardim don Tefillin.”
Why do you call them tefillin instead of phylacteries? Is that because you think you’re part of an exclusive club that’s frummer than the rest of us? Gosh, you’re such a jerk.
Shouldn’t that be separdic ?
And tepillin ?That sounds reasonable. Among Ashkenazim it is unlikely that more than 5% of males over 13 put on tefillin.
Firstly less then 50% is pretty good, but don’t know who set the standard at 50%.
Secondly I would tend to agree with akuperma that maybe no more than 5% of Ashkenazim don’t wear tefillin, BUT the interesting fact is that less then 1% of Ashkenazi women do wear teffilin and 0% of Separadic women wear teffilin. Something to think about. 🙂
We don’t really know, it’s all conjecture, but I would bet that at least 1% of Ashkenzi WOMEN wear tefflin and 0% Separadic Women.
Just Saying
Allan, good point!
“We don’t really know, it’s all conjecture, but I would bet that at least 1% of Ashkenzi WOMEN wear tefflin and 0% Separadic Women.”
We both posken it shouldn’t be done. Is your point that you think feminism is a little more likely in the Ashkenazi world because of western influence?
By the way, I think this was just a posting mistake, but you posted a comment saying fewer than 1% of women, immediately followed by one saying “at least” 1%.Orthodoxy accounts for about 10% of the American Jewish population. Taking out women and children that would still probably leave you with 4-5% for sure wrapping tefillin. Add to that that there are actually some Conservative Jews who do, specifically Rabbis. It’s slightly possible that it’s over 5%.
Fake News: For the “glass is always half empty CRers” it may come as a shock but the headline could also be that “50 percent of Sephardim do put on Tefillin”!!!! Also, they do so without a chabadnik standing there explaining that the shel yad is difficult to fit on one’s head and vice versa.
” “50 percent of Sephardim do put on Tefillin”!!!!”
GHD: How’d they achieve a 50% rate? Is it the women or is it the children that brought it that high?
“GHD: How’d they achieve a 50% rate? Is it the women or is it the children that brought it that high?”
Either he misinterpreted the headline as meaning half/half. Or, he purposely is saying nonsense, hence why he prefaced it with “Fake News.”many sephardim are not keeping very much, especially in America. That is why Chazaq’s work is very very important
Even better, fewer than 50% of Chabadniks wear tefillin.
And no, Joseph, the ideal number would not be 50%.
They used to say that the Gerrer Rebbe had thousands of chassidim who eat on yom kippur.
“They used to say that the Gerrer Rebbe had thousands of chassidim who eat on yom kippur.”
Who’s “they?” The elders of Lubavitch who like to spread weird, slanderous stories about other Chassidusim?Also, what does this have to do with anything?
“They” is people generally. And if you have to ask what this has to to do with the topic of this discussion, then you probably have no idea what that topic is.
They= Misnagdim
No, “they” ≠ “misnagdim”. Why would you think it does?
Given the increase in population of the Frum communities vs the decrease of R/C, I expect to see the R/C/MO congregations being assimilated into the Sephardim. The Sephardim are orthodox but have the attitude of allowing their congregations practice as they see fit. We see this in Israel. Especially among the Mizrahi.
We are expecting to see changes in attitudes among Jews worldwide as the Mizrahim in Israel come to dominate the culture.
Milhouse: “fewer than 50% of Chabadniks put on tefillin”
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Neville, I think you got the “less than 50% don tefiillin” joke, so I don’t understand why you didn’t get the crack about Gerrer chassidim eating on YK. It’s also true of whatever flavor of chassidim or chareidim you pick.
“Given the increase in population of the Frum communities vs the decrease of R/C, I expect to see the R/C/MO congregations being assimilated into the Sephardim. The Sephardim are orthodox but have the attitude of allowing their congregations practice as they see fit. We see this in Israel. Especially among the Mizrahi.”
I am not sure where to begin. It is virtually impossible to imagine R/C mixing in with Sephardim. It is a totally different world. R/C is a invention of the west that is extremely foreign to the middle eastern way of thinking. They cannot understand one each other. Also you seem to be assuming that bec Sephardim are less into externals and don’t care about your shirt color or sho style that people can practice as they see fit. That is certainly not the case Sephardim are interested in tradition as understood by the chachamim.
“They used to say that the Gerrer Rebbe had thousands of chassidim who eat on yom kippur.”
Who’s “they?” The elders of Lubavitch who like to spread weird, slanderous stories about other Chassidusim?Also, what does this have to do with anything?
Children.
if people want to keep putting sefardim down with rubbish like this, then take every Rambam .. Rashaba .. Ritva… Shulchan Oruch out of every ashkenazi beis medresh, because they were all sefardi. Oh and chasiddim can stop learning ohr Hachaim as he was too a sefardi
BB: In that case Sephardim would have to stop learning Rashi and Tosfos.
DC, what is puzzling you? It’s a simple and well-known fact that most Chabadniks have never worn tefillin even once in their lives.
Grey Matter
We are seeing more and more sons of Reform parents going to Day School. However a large part of the R community are so secular, to include intermarriage, that they will be assimilated.
As for Sephardim being east, yes and no. We have Sephardim who are in the UK, Spain, and the West. What is happening in Israel is not Sephardim but Mizrahi who are eastern. And they remaking Israel into a more middle eastern country. As that progresses much of Judaism will shift to being more Middle Eastern.
What is left of R/C/MO who have not either become Haredi or assimilated is that they will migrate towards Sephardi communities that are not as rigid as the Haredi world.
“What is left of R/C/MO who have not either become Haredi or assimilated is that they will migrate towards Sephardi communities that are not as rigid as the Haredi world.”
I haven’t noticed any notable migration from the R/C/MO world to the Sefardic world.
It’ll be a bracha for all Am Yisroel if Jewish communities shift towards a Sephardic mentality/mesora
Joseph
What we see NOW is assimilation by R/C. Their congregations are dying off. The growth is within the orthodox.
My point is that in time Mizrahi will dominate the culture of Israel. Just from when I was a child we have seen a shift of pronouncing Hebrew more like the Sephardi. Many believe that the Sephardi/Mizrahi are closer to what Judaism was in the 2nd Temple period. At least more like Rambam’s era.
YO: The opposite is happening. Sefardim have been Ashkenazisizing for decades already. In dress, in Yeshiva and in just about everything else.
N9N: Actually Ashkenazic is closer to the Second Beis HaMikdash practices. Sefardic pronounciation was selected by the anti-religious Ben-Yehuda for Ivrit. Israel is 51%/49% Ashkenazic/Sefardic according to the Israeli Bureau of Statistics and the Ashkenazic secular elite dominate Israeli culture and politics.
Also see my comment to YO.
Yes. Bar Minan.
N9n I don’t agree with you and I understand both the Sephardic and askenazi cultures well. It is difficult to argue with you however as much of what you said is anecdotal.
Joseph I agree with much of what you said in this thread.”
“ N9N: Actually Ashkenazic is closer to the Second Beis HaMikdash practices.” Where on earth does that assertion come from. It seems like bigoted nonsense.Grey matter: Thank you. That particular assertion was only rhetorical in response to N9N’s directly opposite assertion; in order to force him to defend his incorrect position.
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