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    Spreadthetruth
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    Zahavasdad,
    Rav Miller told me the above in 1999. Of course, in personal conversation he took all details into consideration.

    #1381371

    Spreadthetruth
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    Lesschumras,
    You should print up your post and have it buried with you after 120. You’ll have a lot to answer for.

    #1381377

    Spreadthetruth
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    As usual, people are confusing general attitudes that Hashem desires from us, with individual situations that require weighing all of the pertinent issues. Rav Miller’s words remain true in the year 2017 like they were when he said them – as they were derived from the words of the Torah which are eternal. For an individual family a lot of other considerations have to be weighed, which Rav Miller always did.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    #1382766

    JJ2020
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    I think some people are missing the point. Some people want to live away from large frum populations and prefer to be around more forum or to be more alone. Rag Miller is saying it’s fantastic to live with frum yiddin the more the better.

    #1382782

    Gadolhadorah
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    There are “frum” people and there are “frum” people…..not all frum tziburs are created equally and the degrees of tolerance (and intolerance) vary widely. Its not just an MO vs. Chareidi issue….Rav Miller was right but for the wrong reasons. The point being that many frum yidden really do want to escape from a ghetto where they are unhappy with their interactions with the local frum community and “escape” to another frum community where they find more tolerance, diversity and a higher quality of life. This mindless notion that being packed together with other yidden at higher densities and fewer amenities will bring a yid closer to hashem and create a more pure hashkafah simply doesn’t work for a growing number of yidden, especially younger couples looking to grow a family.

    #1384747

    FuturePOTUS
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    Well said, Gadolhadorah.

    It’s often the other way around than what people think. Dense jewish communities often create an Orthodox ‘culture’ rather than a Torah environment, which can be quite harmful in raising children and often leads to increased rates of people leaving religion.

    #1384761

    Joseph
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    Anono internet posters versus one of the gedolei yisroel of the last dor.

    Tough one.

    #1384771

    👑RebYidd23
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    The pseudo-anonymous commenters are currently alive.

    #1384870

    Gadolhadorah
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    Yes Joe….its a bunch of us mindless YWN posters v. a Rav who expressed an opinion where Yidden should choose to live decades ago based on the sociological, locational options and economic realities at that time. If you think it is apikorsus for a young couple not wanting to raise their family in a high density, congested, noisy and high pollution level neighborhood packed with “Josephs”, than I guess we have a whole generation of apikorosim spreading their “suburban hashkafah” throughout the country.

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