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  • #1274806

    Meno
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    #1274841

    zahavasdad
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    That is the real issue when you “Ban Technology” . Where do you draw the line. The Chofetz Chaim would learn by Candlight , even when electricity was an option. He also refused to let himself be taken a picture of (As did many gedolim of that era)

    Do you ban Autos after all, they have computers in them. How about ATM Machines?

    #1274843

    besalel
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    i dont think we need to get so technical. this ban, presumably, is a reaction to pornography, news outlets and social media. while we can argue all day about the best way to combat the issues raised by technology we all recognize that there is an issue and this is how this yeshiva chose to deal with it.

    #1274845

    Does a potato peeler count as “technology” (even not in this specific context)?

    #1274848

    Meno
    Participant

    tech·nol·o·gy
    tekˈnäləjē

    machinery and equipment developed from the application of scientific knowledge

    #1274856

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Next year there will be a fast train between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. it will make the trip in I think 30 mins. Should we ban people from riding that train?

    Right now people in Brooklyn can take the Subway to Manhattan, Lots of Prizus there.

    Also there are alot of strange people on the Subway between people dressed Prizusly to Subway Preachers. Should we ban riding the Subway?

    #1274855

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The biggest distributor of Prizus and Kefira was the printing Press. The Hashkalah could never have spread without the printing Press

    #1274852

    mw13
    Participant

    zdad:
    The Chofetz Chaim would learn by Candlight , even when electricity was an option.

    I never heard that before. Where’d you hear/see that?

    #1274851

    Joseph
    Participant

    Why are you taking an internet “news” outlet at face value?

    #1274870

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    R’ Moshe held that a potato peeler is a fancy knife. Do you consider forks, spoons, and knives as technology?00

    #1274946

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    ALL technology? Even potato peelers?

    Only the ones with screens.

    #1274945

    Gadolhadorah
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    Every society and religious group has their own “Luddites” who have spiritual and moral concerns with innovations and new technology. While many of us disagree with the decision of the Rosh Yeshiva, I doubt this policy will result in empty seats in the beis medrash since there are more bochurim seeking admission than can possibly be accommodated. Putting aside the obvious issue that those coming out of this yeshiva will lack basic skills for a parnassah,, many of the most exciting and original thoughts in the world of torah learning are only available on the internet so they are denying their students access to daas torah from the next generation of more computer friendly talmedei chachamim.

    #1274947

    apushatayid
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    Why this was reported as “news” is beyond me. The over reaction by some while not surprising, is also beyond me. Do you learn in ponovezh? Why do you care?

    Thank you YWN for facilitating the badmouthing of a Yeshiva and it’s roshei Yeshiva. (perhaps this is why the Yeshiva is banning the “technology” all it does is facilitate leitsanus and the bad mouthing of others).

    #1274949

    mw13
    Participant

    …and WI-Fi

    #1274953

    besalel
    Participant

    Zsdad: I am pretty sure the challenges posed by today’s technology far out-paces the challenges we have ever faced before. I, personally, do not think a ban is a good long-term solution but I am surprised by the manner in which you minimize the very real issue that the ban speaks to.

    #1274954

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Putting aside the obvious issue that those coming out of this yeshiva will lack basic skills for a parnassah

    It’s pretty far-fetched to think that talmidim of Ponovezh will be seriously impaired in their ability to earn parnassah because computers aren’t allowed in the beis medrash.

    many of the most exciting and original thoughts in the world of torah learning are only available on the internet

    As someone who spends time both in the beis medrash and online, I can assure you that someone’s growth in learning is much better served by spending time on the classic seforim than online.

    #1274955

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The biggest distributor of Prizus and Kefira was the printing Press. The Hashkalah could never have spread without the printing Press

    If we were to ban the printing press, that wouldn’t change.

    #1274969

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Apushatyaid: “Why this was reported as “news” is beyond me. The over reaction by some while not surprising, is also beyond me. Do you learn in ponovezh? Why do you care?

    Thank you YWN for facilitating the badmouthing of a Yeshiva and it’s roshei Yeshiva. (perhaps this is why the Yeshiva is banning the “technology” all it does is facilitate leitsanus and the bad mouthing of others).”

    Maskim. The spreading of motzi shem ra about Am Yisrael by websites that label themselves as Frum is probably the biggest problem with internet today. It also may well be one of the biggest problems facing Am Yisrael today. The Rabbanim whom I’ve spoken to so far about this issue are very upset about it.

    That is why I (in conjunction with Gedolei Yisrael) am trying to do whatever we can to stop it.

    #1274995

    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    I wonder if anyone here is from Ponovezh, and breaking that rule……

    #1275006

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Shavua Tov LU 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Question please: I love how you add Hebrish into your posts! So I’ve wondered this before and realized that maybe I can ask you… Why do you write “maskim” instead of “maskimah”? I wondered if maybe to be gender anonymous or neutral maybe. Or maybe this is what people say in a frum context when agreeing with each other? Wondering if it is your thing, or a common thing that I didn’t realize that women say too.

    Thank you <3

    #1275013

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    If someone is Ponovezh, then would outing oneself in the CR count as lashon hara against oneself?

    #1275017

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There is a movement among some to “out frum” someone else.

    While this will only apply to Ponevech, someone else will likely think “Hey this is a great idea” and it will spread and Ponevech will just be the first for a technology ban, but it wont be the last.

    While some might fantasize about the days of Horse and Buggy and propane lights and fridges, It isnt going to happen

    Computers are everywhere and cannot be avoided no matter how much you try to legislate it. By banning it, all you are doing is creating more sinners and causing people to get the stuff clandestinly, which is worse than what you are trying to solve

    #1275194

    Sadigurarebbe
    Participant

    >Or maybe this is what people say in a frum context when agreeing with each other?

    Ding Ding Ding

    #1275252

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    That is why I (in conjunction with Gedolei Yisrael) am trying to do whatever we can to stop it.

    And yet, here you are supporting them with every click and post.

    The Wolf

    #1275302

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Anyone who says Wifi is internet is a perfect example of why this is misinformed. And Ive heard it elsewhere as well

    Wifi does not mean internet. All Wifi is , is a wireless network connection. If you connect to the network and there is internet on it AND you have the encription password then you will have internet. So if you neighbor has Wifi and it goes into your house (and frequently is does especially in a place like Brooklyn) and you have wifi on your laptop, Unless you have the Wifi Password (or the neighbor has unencrptyped internet) it is useless to you or anyone else

    #1275357

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Who said wifi is Internet?

    #1275372

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Thanks Sadigurarebbe for the answer!!! ☺

    #1275460

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I have been asked about computers without Wifi from people in Lakewood or they wanted the Wifi card removed

    They didnt seem to understand wifi without internet is meaningless

    #1275641

    Meno
    Participant

    They didnt seem to understand wifi without internet is meaningless

    But if you have wifi it is much easier to access the internet

    #1275655

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Right. Nobody thinks wifi is synonymous with internet.

    #1275667

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    How can you not get technical when it comes to technology?

    #1275672

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Forks, spoons and knives are less advanced machines, but they are still technology.

    #1275669

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If we ban technology, I suppose so.

    #1275688

    lebidik yankel
    Participant

    Friends, the issue is not internet nor technology. It having computers in a beis medrash. Rav Gershon Edelstein feels that computers do not belong in a beis medrash. That’s all there is to it. (Yes, you can have one at home)

    #1275690

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What about potato peelers? Can I bring potato peelers to the bais medrash?

    #1275716

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    How do you learn without a potato peeler?

    #1275758

    Chaver
    Participant

    Leibik yankel where did you hear that computers at home are okay? In the article it says that the Rabbonim want to distance the Talmidim from technology so they banned technology from the Yeshiva where the Talmidim are. That does not imply that when the Talmidim go home once a month or so they should have computers.

    #1275825

    MDG
    Participant

    The GRA used to learn with a candle – even during the day – with the windows closed. That way he always has the same learning environment, which helps in reducing distractions.

    #1280844

    many of the most exciting and original thoughts in the
    world of torah learning are only available on the internet

    [citation needed]

    #1282679

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    As they said before, R chaim kanievsky was able to pull it off even without the internet. Can u imagine?? smh

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