Replacement idiom for "when the fat lady sings"

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    Joseph
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    Singing ladies aren’t tznius

    Not true. You may not be able to listen to them, but they are free to sing in places where there is a reasonable expectation that men will not hear them.

    That’s like claiming a sleeveless gown is tznius… so long as no man sees it.

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    WolfishMusings
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    That’s like claiming a sleeveless gown is tznius… so long as no man sees it.

    There are times (such as when alone with one’s spouse) when wearing clothes that are, for public consumption inappropriate, perfectly appropriate.

    So too with singing.

    In fact, singing is even a weaker case, as women may sing in front of other women — and again, as long as there are no men present, it’s 100% appropriate and permitted.

    The Wolf

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    Joseph
    Participant

    Women may wear non-tznius clothing at the pool, by ones spouse or in front of other women-only, with no men present, too.

    You responded “Not true” to the comment that “Singing ladies aren’t tznius”. On that basis you should be claiming “Not true” to a comment that wearing immodest clothing isn’t tzniusdik.

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    WolfishMusings
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    Women may wear non-tznius clothing at the pool, by ones spouse or in front of other women-only, with no men present, too.

    Yes, that was my point. In those contexts, the clothing is not non-tznius! On the contrary, in those contexts the clothing is perfectly appropriate.

    You responded “Not true” to the comment that “Singing ladies aren’t tznius”. On that basis you should be claiming “Not true” to a comment that wearing immodest clothing isn’t tzniusdik.

    In most contexts, the clothing would not be tzniusdik. In that you’re correct. But there is a time and place for them when they are 100% appropriate and proper. The same applies to women singing.

    The Wolf

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    MrsKravitz
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    It ain’t over till Hoshanah Rabbah.

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