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feifun- well, you sure have accomplished one thing; you made me laugh uproariously at your mischievous attempt to emulate shlomo!
ROB -“health- shlomo carlebach had a beard his whole life and never touched it.”
You so missed my point, but you do that on all my posts in every topic. One of the MO guys -Feif un said he was a hippie, not a Rabbi. So I was explaining that before the long hair -he had a beard due to him being Yeshivish. So his beard originally was for frumkeit, not because he was a hippie.
so, health, do you like R’Shlomo Carlebach or not?
ROB – My father had nothing to do with him later on -so I have no opinion. They went their separate ways. If the Kol about him is true -then I definitely didn’t like his behavior.
I like some of his songs and stories that I’ve heard on tape, but I’m not really into music.
wow- health and I are having a civilized conversation…there is still hope for klal yisroel ! I am into his nussach and music but you are entitled to your liks and dislikes…
ROB, it seems most of us are in agreement that success does not equate being in the right. But since you brought up the word kfira, I feel I must clarify my comment. The power of the satan to act is given to him by Hashem, usually because of our sins or to test us. Everything is min hashamayim, yet we all have the bchira to do right or wrong. And since this world is “topsy turvy” seemingly bad things do happen to good people (or even their legacy) and vice-versa. The real schar is not necessarily in this world, and sometimes people are rewarded here so they shouldn’t be “owed” in the next world.
mammele= i guarantee you one thing: shlomo z’l did not get ANY schar in his wrold ! he died peniless, having given away all his money to poor people.
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Schar does not equal money.
nechomah- shlomo gave ALL his money away to needy people- every cent of it! Show me any other people who have done that??
Once again, schar in this world does not necessarily mean having money. Someone can be completely broke in this world and still be receiving plenty of schar.
I’m sure that the beis din shel maalah took Shlomo’s tzedakah giving into account in his final din v’cheshbon – just as they took his inappropriate actions with women into account.
I knew him personally for many years of his life. His ‘gadlus was that he did not have to prove anything to anyone, try to impress you. He was just himself and that like the old Honda add which was the car that sold itself. He kept it simple, not to many cords in the music, friendly to all, had a good kind word to all. No person is perfect in this world, only malachim, and of course they are not human. We can emulate the good aspire to do better by thinking and helping others. If you have a gift use for the positive to enhance the life of a fellow Yid.
Goed Shabbos
Last year, a few web sites posted videos of Selichos in the Carlebach shul. One site also posted old videos of when Shlomo was alive and leading the selichos.
A friend of mine told me he loves going there. He says the energy is amazing there, and he feels uplifted. I don’t understand it.
If you watch the videos of selichos in the Carlebach shul, they are singing and dancing much of the time. This is not what selichos are about! We shouldn’t be dancing, we should be crying! Is this how you approach Hashem for the Yomim Noraim, with dancing? We’re supposed to approach humbly, knowing that we did wrong. We should be terrified! How could people dance?
feif un- Before passing judgment on what is an unbelievable davening, please attend the selichos and you may realize that ourv prayers to HKBH don’t necessarily need crying and you can reach a much higher “madreigah” when singing than crying. BTW- thsiis why chassidim sing in large parts of the davening.
V’gilu bir’adah
Not that I am ready to dance during selichos, but what tells you that the tefilos of selichos and dancing are mutually exclusive? The posuk of ?? ???? ?’ ??? ?????? is explained by many seforim to refer to the ???? one should have on ??? ???? which is certainly more of a ??? ???? than the days of selichos. If one can dance and be focused on the kedusha of rejoicing with HKB”H, then it would not be out of place at selichos. Just thinking…..
feif un,
i heard a nice vort from shlomo katz on his cd live in melbourne. He asks, why in between the ashamnus and bagadnus do we sing a tune in major. It would be much more fitting to sing in a minor key.
He answers with a moshul of someone going to court. At first he is trembling, but when he sees that the judge is his father, he rejoices. That is our situation. When we confess our sins, how can we not sing a joyous song, when the judge is our father in heaven.
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