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    Git Meshige
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    There are two people. One person inherited 10 Million Dollars. The other person earned it by hard work. Each person gives the same amount to Tzedaka. Both give with the same joy. Who gets more reward in Oilam Haba?

    #1125456
    Joseph
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    Same.

    #1125457
    Abba_S
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    The one who worked hard to earn it

    #1125458
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    All other things being equal (they never are), the one who worked hard has a bigger nisayon. Plus, if he knew he would give to tzedakah, his work was partially for the mitzvah, so he should get more.

    L’fum tza’ara agra.

    #1125459
    Joseph
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    The OP didn’t specify he knew in advance he would give it to Tzedakah.

    #1125460
    Joseph
    Participant

    If a poor person, earning $30,000 to support a family, gives $3,000 to Tzedaka, thus making a major dent in what he can afford for his family, and a rich person who is single and earning $300,000 gives $30,000 to Tzedaka, and still has more extra money than he needs, does the poor person earn more schar? Both gave it with the same joy.

    L’fum tza’ara agra.

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/poor-baal-tzedaka-vs-rich-baal-tzedaka

    #1125461
    Matisyahu91
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    Abba_s

    Why?Based on what?

    What if the one who worked for it hard is a billionaire and the one who inherited is a poor one?

    #1125462
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    The OP didn’t specify he knew in advance he would give it to Tzedakah.

    Nor did he specify that he didn’t.

    #1125463
    Joseph
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    If he worked hard to earn $10 Million, without the intention of giving it to Tzedaka, his hard work wasn’t for the purpose of Tzedaka. And his later Tzedaka is similar to the other person who gave the same amount, with the same simcha, from the same base of funds.

    #1125464
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It’s harder to give away money which came through toil than money which came more easily.

    #1125465
    Joseph
    Participant

    My reading of the OP is that in the described scenarios both parties, at the time of donating, did so with the same effort and joy.

    #1125466
    Joseph
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    Another unmentioned wrinkle, for however it may factor in, is that when the parent earned the money that he inherited, he may have earned it with the same hard work as the other party who earned it. Additionally, the parent may have given Tzedaka off the original amount, and the son inheriting it now is giving Tzedaka a second time off the same funds.

    #1125467
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    He specified joy, not effort. Wouldn’t you agree that it generally takes more effort to give away earned money?

    #1125468
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The parent is not the one giving it away.

    #1125469
    Joseph
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    Is there a chiyuv Tzedaka on an inheritance? If not, he is going above and beyond his obligation whereas the person who earned it may only be giving the obligated amount. (Even if both give the same dollar value.)

    #1125470
    Git Meshige
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    Joseph, I think you may be wrong. A person feels more attached to his money if he earned it versus if he got it for free. So the Nisayoin of giving Tzedakah between the two people is greater for the one who earned it, so his Sechar should be greater.

    The same way Schar is greater to the one who has a harder time overcoming a Nisayoin, this case should be no different

    #1125471
    Joseph
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    Nu, so what’s the answer to the question I posed above in my third post on this thread, regarding the poor person giving less tzedaka with more difficulty versus the rich person giving more more tzedaka with less difficulty?

    #1125472
    Git Meshige
    Participant

    The answer is that the poor person gets more Schar. When ever a person with a harder Nisayoin is posed with a specific challenge the one who has the harder challenge gets more schar

    #1125473
    WolfishMusings
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    There are two people. One person inherited 10 Million Dollars. The other person earned it by hard work. Each person gives the same amount to Tzedaka. Both give with the same joy. Who gets more reward in Oilam Haba?

    Unless you have the option for both, what difference does it make? If you manage to get $10 million, give tzedaka.

    Don’t worry about how much reward someone else is getting. Just worry about yourself.

    The Wolf

    #1125474
    Git Meshige
    Participant

    The Wolf, it makes a big difference. When a person has a huge Nisayon, should he not know that he will get a huge reward if he overcomes it? The point of the discussion is to difrentiate between 2 people doing the same Mitzvah yet one gets more Schar than the other.

    Chazal talk about it.

    #1125475
    👑RebYidd23
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    Different people feel differently.

    #1125476
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    The Wolf, it makes a big difference.

    You missed my point.

    The only reason for this question is because the OP wants to know regarding other people how much reward they will get. If A gets his money this way and B gets it that way, who gets more reward all other things being equal?

    However, what difference should it make to him personally. I think we can all agree that if the OP gets that much money, he should give the appropriate amount of tzedaka, regardless of how he came by it. So the question really has no practical application regarding his own personal situation. The only reason to answer the question is to point at one of two people and say “He gets more reward than you.”

    In other words, mind your own business. It’s not for us to determine who gets what reward. I trust that HKBH will give me exactly the rewards and punishments that I deserve. I don’t believe He’s going to cheat me and give me any less reward because I came by money one way or another.

    The Wolf

    #1125477
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    In other words, mind your own business. It’s not for us to determine who gets what reward.

    We’re not discussing real people, so we’re not minding anyone else’s business.

    Chaza’l discuss s’char v’onesh; why can’t we? We are not determining who gets what s’char, just discussing it.

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