February 20, 2012 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #853003morahmomParticipant
I couldn’t really believe my eyes when I saw the topic of this thread… Are we really dredging up something that has been the law for about 100 years now?
Thanks for your confidence in womankind. We’re apparantly good enough to bring up children and at least contribute to the family budget, and in many, many cases, be the sole supporter of the fanily budget, but we lack the political savvy to vote? Most women I know are at least as knowledgeable as their husbands in the area of politics. Either gender should follow the advice of Gedolei Yisroel in any case!
Last time I registered to vote, there was no question asking for IQ level, and judging from those around me, it didn’t need to be very high.
Get with the program boys and girls. It’s 2012, and not only can and should women vote, but maybe soon one will actually become president.February 20, 2012 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #853004
No I didn’t, my implication was that its her job to be an eizer kinegdo, not a secretary (she can choose whoever she wants, for all I care)
Ill answer everyone else replies later IyH, I’m on my phone, not a regular computer.February 20, 2012 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #853005
Thank you for defending me, and I’m personally insulted by snjn were not going around and call people j anymore (ever since ayc), and I distinctly rember pba doing it.
And health hit what I was going to say square on,
and personally I feel what’s done is done and can’t change it so there’s no point in arguing
And if I insulted anyone with my posts I’m truly sorry (queen bee and oomis) I just hate it when I see women think they don’t need a man, I also hate it when I see men who think they don’t need a woman, Hashem made us partners.
I’m sorry again if I hurt anyones feelingsFebruary 20, 2012 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #853006oomisParticipant
Because of this new attitude -I’m not the least bit surprised that there are women whom only want to marry other women.”
The “new attitude” is not the problem. Women who want to marry other women (and men who want to be with men) are who they are, irrespective of women’s lib and “new attitudes.” You could not be implying there were no gay people 3,000 years ago – because apparently Hashem thought it potentially was enough of a problem, to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and to give us halachos against these practices.February 20, 2012 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #853007ItcheSrulikMember
If women could not vote and hold office then Anastasia Michaeli would not have been able to throw that glass of water in Ghaleb Majadele’s face. Thus it was all kedai.February 20, 2012 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #853008BTGuyParticipant
Are you serious?
You are being highly presumptuous that “women” are predictably identical.
I dont believe it’s the situation that is necessarily the reason for the problem (home versus work).
There are women who do great things outside the home and take care of inside the home with great diligence.
There are women who do great things outside at the expense of inside the home.
There are women who do not work outside the home and take care of their home with great diligence.
There are women who do not work outside the home and still neglect matters in the home.
Also, a woman’s influence on her husband and matters outside the home varies with each couple.
As long as it is within Torah guidelines, I support anything that liberates someone to make a choice and reach actualization.
I have found generalizing may help support a view, but in reality does not do justice to the full dimension of any topic.February 20, 2012 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #853009soliekMember
i dont understand…how are women supposed to vote and be in the kitchen at the same time?February 20, 2012 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #853010OneOfManyParticipant
Many topics here in the CR go off on tangents. You can request -you can’t force anything or anyone!
It’s not just off-topic, it’s specifically excluded by the OP. And these arguments have been rehashed so many times already. But knock yourself out, I guess.February 20, 2012 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #853011HealthParticipant
oomis1105 -“The “new attitude” is not the problem. Women who want to marry other women (and men who want to be with men) are who they are, irrespective of women’s lib and “new attitudes.” You could not be implying there were no gay people 3,000 years ago – because apparently Hashem thought it potentially was enough of a problem, to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, and to give us halachos against these practices.”
While you are correct that this isn’t a new problem in the world, you are very much mistaken about this being an old problem in the Western world. Not that long ago these people holed up in a closet. If you care about this country turning into a S’dom – you’d understand what my point is. The fact of this militant feminism has caused lots of people to go to this way of life. I know s/o (lady) who was Frum and was first exposed to Feminism – as a course requirement in a liberal run college. This was her first exposure to militant feminism and her subsequent decline to becoming a Toevanik and abandoning her Frumkeit.
This isn’t the only case. So if s/o cares not just about how Goyim are rebeling against Hashem, but how they are influencing people from the Frum community to follow their sick ways, they would be as adament against Militant Feminism as I am! Since I believe this is the root cause of the Toieava movement here in the US, not that it was the cause anywhere else like in S’dom!February 20, 2012 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #853012oomisParticipant
How are men supposed to vote and be at work at the same time (or for the very Yeshivish – vote, and be in the Beis Medrash at the same time?February 21, 2012 12:13 am at 12:13 am #853013Queen BeeMember
coffee addict, I don’t think anyone here stated that women should live without men. I just think it’s dangerous and unhealthy for a woman to be so dependent on a man. Thanks for apologizing, but you didn’t offend me. I hope I didn’t offend you.February 21, 2012 1:00 am at 1:00 am #853014NaysbergMember
The reason for the astronomical increase in divorces is because wives are no longer dependant on their husband. Now, whenever there is a little spat, the wife can — and sometimes does — gets up and leaves figuring shes good on her own.February 21, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am #853015
Whatt you’re saying makes sense and I fully agree
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