November 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm #605896
I was wondering if anyone has information on Rav Peretz Steinberg’s giyurim. He’s is a rav in Queens, New York. Is a giyur by him accepted throughout the frum world? Israel? I have seen two lists of accepted giyur by the chief rabbinate, one list hes on and the other he is not. How about the charadishe oylam, do they accept his giyur?
Thanks for any help you can give.
November 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm #907156
He’s very broadly accepted. Good choice.
November 14, 2012 at 4:41 am #907157
Thank you. I am happy people know of him.
November 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm #907161
His conversions are NOT on the Rabbanut list, yet conversions done by the most respected rabbis are not on the list either. R’ Marc Angel, for instance, is the former RCA president, and the RCA today has distanced themselves from him. Giyur has been distorted to the worst possible extent.
November 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm #907162
yet conversions done by the most respected rabbis are not on the list either. R’ Marc Angel, for instance, is the former RCA president, and the RCA today has distanced themselves from him.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say, but I think if the RCA has distanced themselves from him, that is a sign that he is not “the most respected rabbis”.
November 14, 2012 at 4:31 pm #907163
Angel is buddies with Avi Weiss.
November 14, 2012 at 4:54 pm #907164
Angel is buddies with Avi Weiss.
Assuming you mean theologically they are buddies (which they are, as is confirmed by a simple google search), that certainly explains it.
I suppose if anyone wants a giyur with him, I don’t really care. But they certainly shouldn’t be surprised if nobody will marry their kids until the kids get an orthodox geirus.
November 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm #907165
Giyurim who are converted from the Lakewood Beis Din under the guidance of R. Nissan Karelitz is the most accepted here in the U.S. There are also other peoples giyurim that are also accepted. Therefore I reccomend anyone who wants to become a ger should use the Lakewood Beis as there is no one who will questions whether there Giyurim are accepted.
November 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm #907166
Could be you’re right, but I’m pretty sure there’s no Beis Din in Lakewood that does geirus under the auspices of R’ Nissan Karelitz. There is one that used to work with R’ Nochum Eisenstein, but I’m not sure if that is still the case.
There is an organization called Tiferes Bais Yisrael that helps direct converts to Batei Din that are accepted worldwide, and also helps in finding mentors and rabbis that will help along the way. They have a searchable database on their website: jewishfamilyfocus-dot-org.
November 14, 2012 at 7:31 pm #907167
Rav Nochum Eisenstein is Rav Eliyashev’s zt’l’s right-hand man.
Tiferes Bais Yisroel engages in conversion practices that have been denounced by the Badatz in Yerushalayim.
November 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm #907168
iced… is that true? where did you hear that? I know that they have the support of most of the major yeshiva-ish Batei Din in the US, so it’s really surprising to hear that they engage in inappropriate conversion practices. What practices are they?
November 14, 2012 at 9:27 pm #907169
By the way… I’m also pretty sure that Tiferes Bais Yisrael doesn’t actually do geirus. All they do is refer people to Batei Din, Rabbis, and Mentors.
November 14, 2012 at 10:02 pm #907170
Hey everyone, I just wanna let everyone know, that rav steinberg is the av beis din of the young israel beis din, as well as a dayan on the beis din of the igud harrabonim, and Ive heard he is extremely respected by the Torah vodas and chafetz chaim communities. In addition i recently found out the the rabanut in israel also accepts his giyur.
November 14, 2012 at 10:37 pm #907171
JARJ: Tiferes Bais Yisroel used to be called Eternal Jewish Family (EJF). They simply changed their name. They proseltize to goyim. Rav Moshe Shternbuch shlit”a, Raavad of the Badatz, wrote a letter denouncing it.
November 14, 2012 at 10:57 pm #907172
Iced… I think you should investigate things before you speak (or type in this case)… From what I understand from some people involved in geirus that work with them, they made some significant changes in the organization when they restructured. It wasn’t just a cosmetic name change. Leadership changed, programming changed, and the mission, to some extent, changed as well. That’s why all of the yeshiva-ish Batei Din returned to working with them.
Take a look at the website and see for yourself.
November 14, 2012 at 11:11 pm #907173
What makes you think they changed their mission and programming?
November 14, 2012 at 11:50 pm #907174
Because I know people that work with them. I think if you’d take a look at their web site, or speak with anyone affiliated with them, you’d agree. Or ask around dayanim that you know that sit on a geirus Beis Din. From what I understand, there’s no opposition any more.
November 15, 2012 at 6:21 am #907175
The motzei shem ra against a talmid chacham exhibited here is shocking. Rabbi Angel is a talmid of Rav Soloveitchik. People here called him non-Orthodox, which is a vicious falsehood. Modern Orthodoxy is hated and loathed by the Haredim, which is sina of the worst kind.
Nochum (Norman) Eisenstein, like other Haredim, embodies an unprecedented stance on giyur and kabbalas hamitzvos. They are no different than Reformers; the psak of the Beis Yitzchok that they follow goes against the Talmud, Rambam, and Shulchan Aruch.
He also invented a halakha that a dayan on a beit din who accepts evolution is pasul l’dayanus. Therefore, hypothetically, according to Eisenstein, choshuve rabbonim like R’ Aryeh Kaplan, zt”l, the Netziv, Rav SR Hirsch, the Yachin u’Boaz, R’ Eliyahu Benamozegh, Rav Kook, the Maharsham, the Maharatz Chayes, R’ Slifkin, and many others are all pasul because they fail to embrace a relatively contemporary Haredi inclination towards the rejection of scientific data.
The qualifications for a dayan on a conversion beis din are minimal.
Meiri, Yevamos 46b, explains that for giyur, all Jewish men may be considered mumchim for the sake of giyur courts since the only function they are performing halachically is witnessing the tevilah and casually explaining the mitzvos and implications thereof upon the candidate.
The Shu”T Binyamin Ze’ev (1:72) says that a conversion is valid when the 3 witnesses are hedyotot. The Rambam mentions that three is the requirement for giyur, he notes, and does not davka say that the three need to be mumchim.
There are no theological or ideological litmus tests for a dayan to sit on a conversion beis din. All that is required is that the dayan be kosher l’edut, and when it comes to determining this, we don’t construct halakhic straw men.
Eisenstein also said that Ethiopian Jews require giyur, contra the Radbaz and Hakham Oovadia Yosef (this is motivated by racist sentiments, most likely.
He invited the convicted sexual abuser Mordechai Tendler into his shul to give a shiur, and his shaychus to Yosef Tropper, whose arayos, crimes, and perversions are too explicit and raunchy to mention here, r”l, is extremely damning.
And yet this is the man we’re supposed to respect as a great halakhic authority. This is a shonda.
November 15, 2012 at 6:55 am #907176
BTW, the list of approved rabbonim by the Rabbanut is as follows:
Melbourne Beit Din
Sydney Beth Din
Rabbi Baruch Lashs
Rabbi Moshe Gutnick
Rabbi Yehoram Ulman
Rabbinical Court Machzikei HaDaas
Rabbi Eliyahu Sternbuch
Rabbi Yitzchak Tuvia Weiss
Rabbi David Leiberman
Rabbi J. Cohen
RCA – Conversion Programme
Rabbi Yonasan Binyomin Weiss
Beth Din of Montreal
Tel: 514-739-6363 ext. 202
Rabbi Asher Vale
Beis Din of Vancouver
Rabbi Yaacov Medar
Rabbi Mordechai Rotenberg
Rabbi Shmuel Schlesinger
Rabbi Mordechai Zekbach
Rabbi Yichye Tubol
Rabbi Mencahem Klein
Rabbi Y. Ehrenberg
(In association with a Beth-Din from Israel)
Beit Din of the organization of Orthodox Rabbis in Germany
49-221-921560-19 (+) (Fax)
Chief Rabbi Elihu Toaff
Rabbino Alberto A. Piatteli
Rabbi Josef Laras
Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag
[resides in Brooklyn, NY, USA]
There are at present no permanent Orthodox conversion courts in Poland.
There are Rabbis who support potential converts (on a case by case basis), and can guide them through the entire process. The conversion itself is done by Rabbis from Israel who are sent on behalf of the Israeli Rabbinate for this purpose.
The Polish Jewish community’s website is: http://www.jewish.org.pl/
Rabbi Pinchas Goldshmidt
Rabbi Berel Lazar
Rabbi Moshe Kurtstag
Beit Din of London
Dayan E. Padwa
Federation of Synagogues
Rabbi G. Krauss
Rabbi Y. Refson
Beth Din of America / Rabbinical Council of America
Rabbi Michoel Zylberman
(+)1-212 -807-9000, extension 3
Participating Batei Din: http://www.judaismconversion.org/batei.din.html
Rabbinical Council of California
Rabbi Avrohom Union
(+)1-213-389-3382 ,extension 131
Rabbi Gavriel Cohen
Rabbi Avraham Teichman
Rabbi Shmuel Ohana
(+) 1-818-216-5730 Direct Line
(+) 1-818-901-1598 Office Telephone
(+) 1-818-901-1759 Office Fax
South Florida Beit Din for Conversion
Rabbi Efrem Goldberg
Rabbi David Lehrfeld
North Miami Beach
Rabbi Ilan D. Feldman
South-East Regional Beth Din for Conversion
Rabbi Adam Starr
Beth Din Zedek of Chicago Rabbinical Council
Rabbi Gedalia Dov Schwarz
Rabbi Shmuel Fuerst
Rabbi M. Feldman
Rabbi Abraham Halbfinger
Vaad Harabonim of Massachusetts
Rabbi I.M. Levin
Rabbi Sholom Rivkin
Bet Din of the Rabbinical Council of Bergen County
Rabbi Steven Pruzansky
Rabbi Eliezer Teitz
Manhattan Beth Din for Conversions
Rabbi Zvi Romm
Rabbinical Alliance of America
Rabbi Hershel Kurzrock
Beth Din of Agudath Harabbonim
Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag
Rabbi Eliyahu Ben-Haim
Sepharadic Beth Din of Queens
Rabbi Menachem Zilber
Rabbi S.J. Landesman
Rabbi David Zlatin
Beth Din of Cincinnati
Rabbi Hanan Balk
Rabbi A. Brisman
Vaad HaRabbanim of Greater Pittsburgh
Rabbi Moishe Mayer Vogel
Va’ad Harabanim of Greater Seattle
Rabbi Moshe Kletenik
Conversion Court of Washington D.C.
Rabbi Barry Freundel
Rabbi Menachem Senderovic
Conversion in Latin America:
The rabbis of Latin America listed below are known to support potential converts (on a case by case basis), and can guide them through the entire process.
Rabbi Binyamin Zagury, Rio de Janeiro
Rabbi Meir Fuksman, Sau Paulo
Rabbi Matan Regev, Belem
Rabbi Zizke Slomiansky, Mexico City
Rabbi Abraham Palti, Mexico City
Rabbi Itay Meushar, Lima
Rabbi Gershon Miletski, San Jose
Rabbi Moshe Bendahan, Madrid
Rabbi Eliezer Di Martino, Lisbon
November 15, 2012 at 4:07 pm #907177
Doniel: You just keep on convincing yourself.
Look, if you want to rely on Angel, go ahead. Everyone can do their own thing, and I don’t really care one way or another.
But a chacham has einav b’rosho. That is, you should be aware that orthodox jews may not accept his geirus.
Also, for the record, I don’t care who is rebbi is. I care who he is. Rebi Meir’s rebbi was an apikores, and a large percentage of the talmidim in Volozhin were apikorsim.
They don’t even claim to be orthodox. They call themselves Open Orthodox to distinguish themselves from orthodoxy. The same way Conservative calls itself Conservative Judaism to distinguish itself from Judaism.
And this has nothing to do with Modern Orthodoxy. Modern Orthodoxy and chareidim are very close compared to the distance both groups have from these clowns.
Modern Orthodox rabbonim and establishments are the ones leading the charge on this. The chareidim are distanced from it; nobody from our community is going to get confused. It is the Modern Orthodox who to their credit have stepped up to the plate to expel this Eidah Ha’raah from our midst. ????? ??? ??????.
November 15, 2012 at 4:43 pm #907178
Those aren’t positions of Rav Eisenstein shlit”a; those are positions of Maran Hagaon HaRav S. Y. Eliashev zt”l.
Also, the Ethiopians are gentiles (unless they convert.)
Angel is as Orthodox as Avi Weiss.
A prospective convert who does not accept all 613, his purported conversion is invalid and was never effective.
A Dayan who is an apikorus, is an invalid Dayan. And as Rav Eliashev said belief in evolution is apikorsus, that makes it pasul.
November 16, 2012 at 12:24 am #907179
Rabbi Perez Steinberg is actually part of the Vaad of Queens the only organization that has actually guideliness for converts.
If somone went to Torah Vadaas and asked to convert, Rav Belsky tells them to go to Queens
November 16, 2012 at 7:25 am #907180
RABBI Angel is as chashuv as they come, and his commitment to torah and mitzvot is unquestionable. His ideas on giyur are rooted in the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, and Rav Uziel, zt”l, and if you wish to be frummer than the Piskei Uziel, Mechaber, or Rambam, that is your prerogative.
Show me one credible source which says that believing in scientific evidence is apikorsus, or that there are ideological litmus tests as to who can sit on a conversion beis din.
If you assume that evolution is apikorsus, and a rabbi who believes in it is pasul, than you just slapped so many gedolim in the face, Rav Kook and Rav Hirsch included.
Others don’t have to be wrong for you to be right. This religion of triumphalism and one upmanship is not what G-d had in mind when He gave us the Torah and it is certainly not what they had in mind in Sura and Pumbedita.
November 16, 2012 at 9:09 am #907181
zahavasdad, that’s interesting, because I know of Giyurim that Rav Belsky did.
November 16, 2012 at 1:08 pm #907182
Rav Ovadiah Yosef says the Ethiopians are jewish and Rav Elyashiv says they are not
Who are we to follow?
November 16, 2012 at 1:48 pm #907183
doniel: Angel is as chashuv as they come
If by they, you mean the conservative jews, that is very possible. I’m not personally in the habit of ranking their chashivus, and I’m not sure what the criteria would be, but I’m sure there is a way to do so.
But, I’m sure he doesn’t hold a candle to Saul Lieberman (who by the way, wrote a teshuva ????-ing the stuff that Weiss does, so they aren’t even conservative–they are left wing conservative. hee hee)
November 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm #907184
What has R’ Angel done that even resembles the Conservative movement?
November 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm #907185
The bottom line is that if someone is foolish enough to get a conversion through Angel, he shouldn’t expect that conversion to be widely recognized.
November 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm #907186
I know R’ Angel very closely, and anyone who challenges this gadol is passuling themselves.
November 16, 2012 at 7:25 pm #907187
I know…Angel very closely, and anyone who challenges…is passuling themselves.
I see. So now you’ve passuled the RCA also. Nice.
November 18, 2012 at 3:01 am #907188
Nobody in the Modern Orthodox community would dare go against R’ Angel, who was the past president of the RCA in the early 90’s.
Even Chassidishe batei din accept his conversions as kosher. There is no reason whatsoever to dispute a conversion where there has been milah, mikvah, 3 kosher eidim, and where the ger is observant.
November 18, 2012 at 5:34 am #907189
The Rabbanut’s list is out of date. Rabbi Abraham Halbfinger was niftar in September.
November 18, 2012 at 6:02 am #907190
Please note that there are two people named Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein. One lives in E”Y and was a associated with R’ Elyashiv ztl. The other lives in Lakewood and writes a column for Yated.
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