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is it tznius to have long hair? for example down to the waist?
Good question Sparkly.
I know you well enough that you know the truth.
Sparkly,
You know the truth
sparkly if you know it ..whats the use of asking?
sparkly if you know it ..whats the use of asking? Can you explain the definition of tznius?
It would probably be a chatzitzah for my tefillin shel rosh.
Sparkly – when I worked in a boys’ school, I was asked by the (female) principal to wear my hair back. I think the Rebbeim had an issue with it, and my hair is nowhere near my waist.
Sparkly,
“so your basically saying that it is tznius to have long hair???”
I don’t know, is it?
You know the truth
Sparkly instead of repeating yourself EXPLAIN what is tznuis and why we need to be tznuis. We all know you know it .We know you are smart.
What I want to know is what prompted this question
Is this a hypothetical question (like the one about how to become more religious), or do you really want to know? If someone tells you that it is not tznius, would that matter to you?
Winniethepooh, the “how to become more religious” question did not start off as hypothetical, so I’m not sure that it’s fair for people to keep referring to it.
Just my opinion.
LU, I think people are just trying to figure out if this is a question they should answer.
In fairness to Sparkly, she only asked about “having” long hair, not about whether it’s okay to wear it loose. Although she seems to be insinuating that, especially in her seeming quest for a heter. In any case, her MO Rabbi probably allows it and she’s just trolling…
Or struggling perhaps, but the winner is unfortunately predetermined.
depends who you are arround, which community you are surrounded in. In certain places long hair is considered trendy while other places it is considered completely untznius & unacceptable
Mammele – I don’t think anyone considers it a problem to have long hair if it’s tied back, so I’m sure that is not what she meant.
I also don’t think it’s fair for anyone to insinuate that she is trolling. From all her previous posts, I have every reason to believe she is sincere in her question. Being sincere does not necessarily equal being ready and able to put everything into practice at once.
When someone asks such a question, she should be encouraged, not discouraged. Knowing Sparkly, she will take your advice seriously, as long as it’s sincere and given in a positive fashion.
Sparkly,
What prompted the question
Is everyone in the coffee room yeshivish? I mean, even MO people drink coffee sometimes
Sparkly I hear you now. Sorry if I came across strong. Wow for seven years didn’t cut most be realy long. I beleive this is a question none for us to answer this is a question to ask your rabbi. If you only want to know what we think ,I personal beleive if it’s that long loose it’s not tznus. Tznus besides it’s set rules we must use common sense.
Don’t many chassidish people have long hair? It’s fine as long as it’s tied back and doesn’t stand out.
Meno: “Is everyone in the coffee room yeshivish? I mean, even MO people drink coffee sometimes”
Personally, I’m curious to know what the non-Yeshivish people in the CR think about long hair.
Sparkly is a female? It’s a problem with tefillin and possibly other issues for a guy to have long hair. But, if we’re talking about an unmarried female, why would it matter? Am I missing something from another thread?
Being that I went to a chassidish school we learned the hidur and the halachos…..really really hair should not be longer than shoulder down in a pony rabbi Falk says it should be six inch pony…….Litvish people go by a rav I forgot who that’s says not more than four(or two I forgot) inches past shoulder…. (I’m say on halachos not davka do I do it….I’m saying what I learned )….however they all agreed upon one factor if the hair is neat and eidel and refined the inches should not realky matter…so till the waste I can’t imagine how it can look eidel. ..if ur hair is long and u wear it neat with like a headband or clip the halachos might be different. Tznius should be a sensitivity it’s not about whay the halachos say it’s what u should feel uncomfortable being immodest
Sparkly:- i usually keep my hair in a pony because otherwise its just annoying to have…
Is that what you were asking about – long hair in a pony? I hadn’t thought anyone would think that’s a problem. Then again, when I think of long hair, I’m not thinking of waist-length. I guess I could see where even it’s in a pony, it might not be considered tznius if it’s that long. But I’d have to see it – it’s hard for me to visualize.
Happygirlygirl – there are no halachos about hair length. You won’t find anything in the Shulchan Aruch or Mishna Berurah about it.
That being said, there are two aspects to tznius:
1. The technical halachos of which there are very few, such as covering your knees.
2. Using your common sense to realize that something is not tznius. Most things fall in this category, and something can be assur mitsad tznius even if you won’t find a specific halacha saying that it is assur.
There is also a third aspect, which is the fact that we are supposed to follow our Gedolim, so if they say something, we have to do it. As far as I know, Rav Falk is not considered one of the Gedolei hador, so his sefer should not be quoted as though it’s halacha. If someone wants to follow it, that is beautiful, as long as they realize it is not halacha.
In terms of the Gedolei Hador, I have not seen or heard them quoted as saying anything about hair length (which doesn’t mean they haven’t said anything). I may have heard some things about sheitel lengths, but I’m not sure of the specifics. I think they are more meikel for people living in the US than people in Eretz Yisrael. I think I heard something about 2 inches below the shoulder in EY, and 4 inches below in chutz L’aretz, but I am not sure, and in case, it might have only been a psak for specific people. But that was sheitels, not hair.
There is also a fourth aspect – minhag hamakom.
IF long hair is a problem it is because of 2 and possibly 4. If the Gedolim have said anything about it (which I don’t think they have) then it may be a problem in terms of #3 as well. It is almost definitely not a problem in terms of #1, unless someone here knows something I don’t know and would like to share it.
LU it also doesn’t say in the Torah about four inch below knee skirts but our gedolim of today made it HALCHA!! Yes they did because they realized it’s the only way you will be able to follow the guidelines….and rabbi falks sefer is not just him but he got haskama and he asked by the gedolim of the generation chassidish and litvish included.
Sparkly Your mother is probably right . Truthfully I haven’t seen a jewish yeshivish girl with that long hair till the waist. It looks more like outstanding and here we use common sense if it’s outstsanding then no it’s a step away from tznus
Happygirlygirl – the halacha is that your knees have to be covered at all times. From what I understand, the Gedolim pointed out that this is impossible unless your skirt is at least 4 inches below your knees. Depending on the skirt, it might have to be a lot more actually, but it is impossible to find ANY skirt that is less than 4 inches that will cover your knees.
Basically, they are just letting us know that according to the Shulchan Aruch, your skirt must be at least 4 inches below your knees.
Personally, I have never taken a ruler and measured a skirt in my life, and I think that people who are into the 4 inches end up inadvertently being over on one of the only clear-cut halachos of tznius (that your knees have to be covered at all times), since most skirts must be more than 4 inches in order for your knees to be covered at all times.
When I try on a skirt, I stand in front of the mirror. I then pull over a chair and sit in front of the mirror. I then cross my legs in front of the mirror. When possible, I will also go to the car and have a friend check if my knees show when I’m getting into the car.
Happygirlygirl – the fact that Rav Falk’s sefer has haskamos does not mean that the Gedolim say that every word in it is halacha.
Happygirlygirl – again, it’s beautiful if you want to follow Rav Falk’s sefer, but it’s important to know the difference between clear-cut halachos and things that are hiddurim or not-so-clear-cut- halachos.
Of course it’s the halachos that guide us but then it’s the inner feeling of how much more do you want to give for Hashem .Like a sacrifice like( just an example) I will cut my hair this much more just to look more tznus for you Hashem . Something like giving a gift for hashem ,in return the rewards come back to you.
I didn’t specific mean your hair .I understand you grew it cause you like it. I just meant like going out of your way for love towards Hashem.
Sparkly -I just got mad…..you say “my hair was short like two inches past my shoulder” ya know there are people who have cancer and they have no hair at all.just stop acting like a teenager for once. (I myself was bald for that reason mnay years ago…so I’m saying as a survivor don’t give urself a reason for people to be jealous)
LU I simply can’t understand how u taught seminaries if you’re living in 2016 and denying that the HALCHA as of today IS four inches wether u like it or not
I’m surprised no one’s brought up whether long hair
draws attention to its owner, and if this should be
a factor in whether it is considered tzanua or not.
Happygirlygirl- I guess that is why I teach Halacha and not you.
Sparkly – Boruch Hashem, I am very lucky!
Happygirlygirl – that being said, you should definitely follow what your Rabbanim tell you to do.
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