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  1. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    I am writing a dvar torah for my minyan's weekly rag. This is my draft; I'd appreciate some criticism, both on the writing and the content:

    This week’s הפטרה discusses Devorah the prophetess, who acted as the prophetess and שופטת, Judge, of the Jewish nation, for a period during the era after we entered Israel and before the first kings of Israel.

    The medrash תנא דבי אליהו, Teachings of the House of Elijah (ascribed to Elijah the prophet) wonders why Devorah was chosen to be the leader of Israel. (10 אליהו רבה). Specifically, it notes that Pinchas the high priest, grandson of Aaron, who had distinguished himself before Moses in the desert, was still living and would have been a natural choice as leader.

    The medrash responds: מעיד אני עלי את השמים ואת הארץ, בין גוי ובין ישראל בין איש ובין אשה בין עבד בין שפחה הכל לפי מעשה שעושה כך רוח הקודש שורה עליו, I bring the Heaven and Earth as witness, that whether one is a gentile, Jew, man, woman, male slave, or female slave; according to the actions one does, so does the holy spirit dwell on him. Thus, the medrash tells us that through her actions, Devorah had reached higher levels of spirituality than Pinchas the high priest, and was more fit to be leader of Israel. It did not matter that Pinchas was high priest, and able to serve in the Mishkan and enter the Holy of Holies—Devorah had outreached him.

    In fact, the medrash says that everybody in the world is equally able to reach the highest spiritual levels, irrespective of the different paths they must use to get there. A non-Jew certainly does not grow spiritually in the same manner as a Jew; they do not have the mitzvos; they are even forbidden from keeping Shabbat. Nor does a poor person have the same responsibilities and opportunities as a rich person; nor someone of high intellectual ability as someone of lesser ability. The medrash is explicit—a person reaches the highest levels by doing the mitzvos they are given and the responsibilities they have, in the best manner they are able.

    This same medrash supplies an example of this dynamic. The medrash explains the background of Devorah’s husband’s nickname ”לפידות”, torches. Barak, her husband was an ignoramus, and Devorah wanted to help him grow spiritually. She would make wicks for lamps, and send them with him to donate to the Beis Medrash where the rabbis studied Torah, hoping that this assistance of, and exposure to, the rabbis would give him merit and help him grow further. She would deliberately make the wicks very thick and fat, so they should burn with a large flame, like a torch. (See Yalkut Shimoni 247:42; Shoftim 4:4; Radak, Metzudah, Rashi, Alshich ad loc.. But see alternative wordings in Tanah D’vei Eliyahu.)

    You might wonder if Devorah had nothing more important to do than make wicks—fat wicks no less. Devorah was the leader of the nation, and was required to deal with issues of war and peace (as the Haftarah shows), as well as give legal advice. Did she really need to make the wicks herself? Couldn’t her ignorant husband have made the wicks and also delivered them?

    We are not told why Devorah herself needed to make the wicks (perhaps she thought Barak would be more willing if it was a joint effort?), but the lesson is clear nonetheless. Devorah was not too high or mighty to make wicks, when that was the proper thing to do. There is nothing more “important” than doing the jobs which Hashem gives you. Mitzvos don’t have greater or lesser importance—by doing what you are supposed to do at all times, you reach your greatest potential, and are on par with the greatest achievers.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. DaasYochid
    Member

    If you're using Aaron, Moses and Elijah, use Phinehas.

    Why capitalize "Judge"?

    Medrash should be capitalized (and consider Midrash).

    Why the Sefardi Shabbat?

    Interesting, BTW, that Eliyahu is saying that Devorah was greater than him.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    I capitalized Judge because it was a specific official position, not a generic term.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. crazybrit
    This lobsterback doesn't get a subtitle. Next time don't massacre us in Boston, and we'll think about it. And no taxation without 16th amendmentation!

    now we are gonna find out who u are

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. yitayningwut
    Bruno Michel Iksil

    Popa -

    Beautiful vort.

    Along the same lines as DY - If your writing Shabbat than you should write mitzvot, and Beit. And it's usually spelled Midrash.

    Would you say the plural of ignoramus is ignorami? Hehe, that's a real nerd joke.

    It is really a nice vort and well-written.

    DaasYochid - That's a amazing chap, that Pinchas was the author (assuming he is Eliyahu).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    Thanks everyone. You are all not very good critics. If one of you would post something, I would criticize it (and you) to the end of the world.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. coffee addict
    Once killed a Troll with his bare hands

    Great vort I got bored after the first paragraph,

    You'll have them asleep in no time! :P

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. yitayningwut
    Bruno Michel Iksil

    hehe

    Posted 3 months ago #
  9. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the 2 most intellegent beings on Earth

    Retarded. So what if you reach the "highest spiritual level" by fulfilling your "jobs"? If your jobs are stupid and you do them well, it just shows that Hashem didn't make you capable of handling real jobs. It doesn't make you worthy of leading am yisrael. I'd rather have a leader who is struggling with important jobs than one who successfully fulfilled a few menial ones.

    Did you think of this yourself? You should stick to the easier jobs, like cleaning streets and leave giving divrei torah to clever people like the rest of the CR.

    This is me, doing my job of picking up the slack in the CR :p

    Posted 3 months ago #
  10. more
    Member

    is this sad or what..-
    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/coffee-addict-popa

    and there's more 'posters' here that are him, more than half the coffee room I'd say.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  11. more
    Member

    this popa guy talks to himself all the time. sth has to be done about it! prehaps he can join facebook, since the guy that created facebook was friendless 2.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  12. DaasYochid
    Member

    Popa,

    If "Judge" was being used as a title (e.g Judge Dear), I would have agreed with you.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  13. YW Moderator-42
    Always knows where his Towel is

    "Barak, her husband was an ignoramus, and Devorah wanted to help him grow spiritually."

    Why did Devorah, who was the olden day equivalent of the best girl in BJJ, marry an ignoramus, was the best guy in Lakewood taken? Perhaps we can hijack Popa's thread and turn it into a picky girls thread :)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  14. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the 2 most intellegent beings on Earth

    Why would anyone hijack a thread dedicated to criticizing popa and use it to criticize girls? That was 2 questions by the way.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  15. Abba bar Aristotle
    Member

    YW Moderator-42 Look at the Medrash. It seems that Devorah became raised up by her mitzvos. Perhaps she also was an am ho'aretz prior to the mitzvos.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  16. dash
    Member

    Why did Devorah, who was the olden day equivalent of the best girl in BJJ, marry an ignoramus, was the best guy in Lakewood taken? Perhaps we can hijack Popa's thread and turn it into a picky girls thread :)

    Maybe her father was too cheap to get the best guy in Lakewood.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  17. ItcheSrulik
    Resident College "Shaigetz"

    drek.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  18. HaLeiVi
    HaLeiVi is Supposedly not Joseph

    DY, in Tana D'bei Eliyahu he describes himself as being from Shevet Gad. So according to himself he wasn't saying that.

    Also, as a side note, when he mentions Eliyahu in a Pasuk he never says, "that's me", or any first person reference.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  19. bpt
    never caustic

    I liked the content and message.

    I was ok with the transliteration of the hebrew text on the seforim (even though I think its not necessary) but translating the titles into english was really too much.

    (Still not sure what an Ad Loc is though. Radak or otherwise)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  20. ItcheSrulik
    Resident College "Shaigetz"

    bpt: ad loc is oifgeklerte maskil for "sham v'chu'". To be really pedantic, every time you want to write ayen sham, write "cf loc cite" in hebrew characters.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  21. coffee addict
    Once killed a Troll with his bare hands

    Lol more,

    Sorry but no (yossi and a bunch of other posters can attest to that) it was a running gag that you missed

    Posted 3 months ago #
  22. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the 2 most intellegent beings on Earth

    I don't believe this, in the entire thread I am the only one on topic and I got no credit for it. The best anyone else could do was criticize the vort, I criticized popa. Even the OP was off topic.

    Now I can be off topic in every other thread for a week.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  23. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    This post is to give squeak credit for his post. It was the only one on topic, and was clever as usual.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  24. oomis1105
    Member

    The only thing for which i want to criticize you, is the second word of your subtitle under your name. Otherwise, the D"T was engaging, and I think it head a wonderful lesson to impart. The essence of Midrash (or Medrash, who cares HOW it's spelled?) is to teach us a valuable bit of universal insight. In this case, that there are no small jobs (only small people, perhaps?), and we all have tafkidim to fulfill that are unique to ourselves. if we do them well, then we are fulfilling Ratzon Hashem.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  25. DaasYochid
    Member

    DY, in Tana D'bei Eliyahu he describes himself as being from Shevet Gad. So according to himself he wasn't saying that.

    Also, as a side note, when he mentions Eliyahu in a Pasuk he never says, "that's me", or any first person reference.

    Reminds of the famous question asked by a brilliant talmid chochom who nebach snapped.

    Why, according to the shittah that "vaHashem berach es Avraham bakol" means a daughter, didn't Yitchak marry her?

    Answer: He was choshesh for the other shittah.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  26. DaasYochid
    Member

    The only thing for which i want to criticize you, is the second word of your subtitle under your name.

    That's not (directly) his doing.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  27. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    oomis: thank you.
    As DY points out, the blame for my subtitle is a bit murky.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  28. oomis1105
    Member

    That's not (directly) his doing.

    Thank you, DY, for enlightening me. Then I would say PBA's post was perfect. No criticism at all, needed.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  29. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    For the sake of full disclosure, the original version of my subtitle (Mildly Retarded) was pretty directly my doing, through the various underworld relationships I have in the "Modosphere." However, subsequent versions including this one (I think this is the third version), were not my doing at all.

    So I will take blame for the word appearing in my subtitle. But, there were apparently two people who kept it in while changing it.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  30. crazybrit
    This lobsterback doesn't get a subtitle. Next time don't massacre us in Boston, and we'll think about it. And no taxation without 16th amendmentation!

    I suppose self criticism is better than non.
    lol

    Posted 3 months ago #
  31. longarekel
    Member

    Since you seem to want to hear criticism I'll say this: It doesn't seem proper to use the name of an amora as a username in the cr(especially with that subtitle):) Anyway, great dvar tora. Sorry, I couldn't find any criticism there.

    Posted 3 months ago #

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