Lipa's new Chanuka video…So, so sad…

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  • #607342

    Shraga18
    Participant

    I imagine that many here will vehemently disagree with this post, so let me preface by saying that I’m speaking to those that are here because the site is called YESHIVA world news…

    Lipa’s new video seems to go against everything that Chanuka stands for. A woman putting on makeup? Lipa driving a Ferrari? It’s simply heart-rending.

    I hope and pray I am wrong, but looking at this video I’m wondering if Lipa will Ch”V go the way Matisyahu did…

  • #914912

    just me
    Member

    Oooh! I have to go check it out.

  • #914913

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Oooh! I have to go check it out.

    hee hee. exactly what I just did.

  • #914914

    just me
    Member

    The only one I found showed rebbes lighting Chanuka licht. It wasn’t complete. It looked very good.

  • #914915

    uneeq
    Member

    Uh oh.

    Uncovered elbows at 770*(1/10th of a second) into it.

  • #914916

    Swimming613
    Member

    fjgtapxOT6g

    I for the most part have no problem with Lipa’s music in general, as he’s isn’t taking random Pasukim and technoing it up (cough cough 1/2 of today’s artists). But I have to admin that this video was wrong on so many levels. One tznius woman is fine. But shychas ferraris makeup etc to “I believe in miracles” never mind chanukah itself.

    Sorry Lipa, back to the drawing board.

  • #914917

    iced
    Member

    Lipa has been previously censored by the gedolim.

    Some are with the gedolei yisroel while others throw their lot with Lipa.

  • #914918

    i just searched for it and was happy to see that it was removed from many frum sites. There is even a non-tzniusdige lady being shown(sleeves above her elbows). this is by far not a “frum” video!

  • #914920

    uneeq
    Member

    Shraga “I’m wondering if Lipa will Ch”V go the way Matisyahu did”

    I think lipas amazing musical talent will help keep him on the derech.

  • #914921

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “Uncovered elbows at 770*(1/10th of a second) into it.”

    I froze the frame and I would not swear that it’s a real female.

  • #914922

    anon5577
    Participant

    Looking at the video it looks like it’s geared to the kiruv/non yeshivish crowd. Not for the kollel guy in Lakewood.

    The elbow issue is for a very split second. You would have to freeze the frame and then maybe you would see it. I see no issue here at all. If you think this is an issue then I think you have much larger issues to deal with.

  • #914923

    farrocks
    Member

    Cherry: A male portraying a female (especially portraying her non-tzniusdikly) is just as terrible.

  • #914924

    shmendrick
    Member

    “Uncovered elbows at 770*(1/10th of a second) into it.” What if anything does 770 and Chabad have to do with Lipa and his new video?

  • #914925

    Shraga18 I agree with you 100%. This isnt his first video to cross the line however. Hang up the phone was a disgrace and I was embarrassed when I first saw it.

    There is so much to say on this subject but I usually end up on rant when I start so I wont. But I must say anon577 that the kiruv excuse is the oldest in the book. Its just a lame excuse to make music that has no Torah or Jewish values. If he truly is meaning this for the non frum crowd then dont publicize it on Jewish websites or put it on your albums. Use it only for outreach and specify that it is not for the frum ears. The point is that hundreds of Jewish teens are attracted to his music and other music (I wonder why?) and for them the next step is non Jewish music unfortunately. I shudder to think of the amount of lost souls that are stacking up against these ‘Jewish’ singers who have led them astray by refusing to provide kosher music. I honestly feel bad for them.

  • #914926

    Shraga18
    Participant

    anon5577,

    “If you think this is an issue then I think you have much larger issues to deal with.”

    There’s two possibilities here. Either we’re being overly fanatic, or you’re not being sensitive enough to a serious problem here. Many here seem to think the video was bad, so maybe some introspection is in order for you?

  • #914927

    I have never liked Lipa, and this reminds me why. The video is one problem but the music is truly aweful! And the lyrics don’t make sense either: “Am I an actor, a common factor, or a spiritual nuclear reactor”…. As we say round my neck of the woods, yerwhat?!

  • #914928

    WIY
    Member

    Is sad that this is happening but lets take this as a lesson that the Rabbonim know more than we do and only made a ban for our good to protect us and our children. They saw almost 4 years ago already where he was headed. Unfortunately he is the type of guy that likes to push limits and I’m scared to see where he will be in 4 more years time.

  • #914929

    2scents
    Participant

    I wish that he would stop saying that he is doing all of this for the sake of Hashem.

    Its sad to see how he claims that all the stuff he is doing is only for the sake of Achdus and hashem, anyone that followed before he got popular knows that that he is in a downward spiral.

    What else will he do “to make people happy”?

  • #914930

    Dat elbow…

  • #914931

    AbeF
    Participant

    i think that this time he crossed the red line……

  • #914932

    shmendrick
    Member

    OP sharaga18 – ” let me preface by saying that I’m speaking to those that are here because the site is called YESHIVA world news…”

    Imagine if an OP asks on YWN: “Is rabbit meat more kosher or less kosher than bacon?”….wouldn’t that be inappropriate!

    The moshel and nimshal fits this thread.

    Those that are here surely follow Reb Moshe’s psak: Teshuvot Igrot Moshe 1:160.

    Although he writes that it is not required to follow the most stringent opinion of the Bach and the Magen Avraham, he regards the strict opinion of Rav Yosef Karo, which will follow below, to be normative.

    The Rema mentioned earlier follows Rashi and Tosfos:

    Second, they state that music that is played in the context of a mitzvah, such as at a wedding celebration, is entirely permissible. The Rambam (Hilchot Taaniot 5:14) similarly writes that it is permissible to play music of a religious nature. The origin of this exception dates back at least to the Geonic era, as Rav Hai Gaon espouses this approach. This exception is codified in the Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chaim 560:3) virtually uncontested.

    As stated, Reb Moshe paskens according to the strict opinion of Rav Yosef Karo.

    In any event, the OP is “speaking to those that are here because the site is called YESHIVA world news” who certainly adhere to Reb Moshe’s psak.

    We do NOT listen to ANY modern so-called “Jewish” music (except at a simcha). Certainly not music VIDEOS. They ALL do not conform with halacha.

    To question if some are more kosher or less kosher than others is like asking on the YWN if rabbit meat is more kosher than bacon!

    THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE!

  • #914933

    yichusdik
    Participant

    I’ve had the pleasure of producing a Lipa concert a few years ago. He is easy to work with and a mensch. He has genuine ahavas yisroel, and it isn’t limited to Boro Park, Monsey, and Lakewood.

    His music isn’t so much my cup of tea, but the earnest love for his fellow Jew that comes out in the songs and videos is crystal clear.

    All that being said, the woman putting on makeup for a half a second was dressed fine, preparing for a chanukah celebration. You see more challenging images than that walking out your front door.

    As for the Ferrari, I see the point. No one in these trying times gets much nachas from seeing someone driving such a car, and it is materialistic in a way that is the opposite of chanukah.

    Image is part of the character Lipa creates for his shows, and the sunglasses, the bekeshes, the whole get up is a part of it. But I agree the car goes beyond this.

    All this is beside the point, though. I think anon5577 is mostly right. If you don’t like it, don’t watch. Lipa will still be an ehrliche yid long after this video is forgotten. If you have no more important things to be up in arms about, though, you need to rethink your priorities.

  • #914934

    cherrybim
    Participant

    From what I’ve seen on youtube, the new Believe in a Miracle video is a greater chillul Hashem than his others. I feel bad for our children who will be terribly influenced.

  • #914935

    TheGoq
    Participant

    The thing at the end with him and the puppet is just downright creepy.

  • #914936

    iced
    Member

    Distributing pritzus and being machshil Jewish children (and adults) is a terrible aveira.

  • #914937

    uneeq
    Member

    I used to joke that his album Lipa Baderech sounds pretty close to Leap Off The Derech. Maybe that’ll be his new album title.

  • #914938

    2scents
    Participant

    I think that it is better that he is showing his true colors. Since up until now his fans were arguing that he means it for Hashems sake and he understands hashem better than our Rabbanim.

    However he is now showing the surface of his true colors, as someone that knew him early on, I know that he is idolizes Female singers and he tries to imitate songs that are full of shmutz.

    He has no problem performing in a mixed dancing environment.

    I hope that he will now officially claim that he is on the ‘other side’.

  • #914939

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    Someone who cannot discern the type of music he is mired in, means that their senses too have been dulled. It take a lot of chipping away at the inner pintele Yid not the vomit at that disgusting work. When one has goyeshe noise constantly assaulting his neshamah then he’s is able to smirk and say “If you have no more important things .. you need to rethink your priorities.

    Yes, to Yiddishe Yidden it is important. As important as it was for the Rabbonim to voice their disapproval. It’s so sad to watch how this individual’s junk has made it into the “normal” simcha. How in the middle of a dance they start some kind of cacophonous – trance – dance, disgusting movements, horrible tunes (chant). They leave the choson, kallah, stand next to the band with the shameless (goyeshe) singer, all join for a revolting “twist”. What a downward spiral of the real stuff. What a way to start a new life?!?

    No, when Yuval was inventing instruments, he could not have imagined this.

  • #914940

    uneeq
    Member

    @2scents

    Yanky, Yanky!

    Rivky, Rivky!

  • #914941

    yichusdik
    Participant

    Zeeskite, I promise you, I’m not smirking. And as I said, his music isn’t my cup of tea. But it isn’t disgusting either, at least to me. But if it is to you, don’t watch. We have that amazing gift HKBH gave us, called bechira chofshis. maybe you want to use it, and let others do the same, instead of telling them how to think.

    If I don’t meet your definition of “Yiddishe Yidden”, I guess you’ve got more authority and holiness than the Eibishter, because I fit under his definition. But truly, you don’t define me. You don’t define Lipa. You are welcome, though, to define yourself.

    Here are a few priorities that I have, before I critique Lipa’s kedusha or lack thereof.

    Poverty in our community and beyond

    Disaster relief in our community and beyond

    Peace in Eretz Yisroel

    Strife between Yidden

    Educating my children, ensuring Jewish education for everyone

    taking care of the seniors in our community and beyond

    Learning whenever I can

    My concern about abuse in our community (personal now, since a recent arrest was a former teacher of mine)

    My job

    My health

    Then, maybe, I might have time to worry about Lipa, if I was so inclined. I guess we just have different priorities. But my senses are anything but dulled.

  • #914942

    Yussel
    Member

    I would like to hear from people who like this sort of thing why it is prefereable to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven, for example. I mean to ask if “jewish” music is really better for a Jew spiritually than a Mozart string quartet.

  • #914943

    Yussel “jewish” music today is not “jewish” anymore. very few are. But Bach, Mozart and Beethoven is 100% better to listen to then most of the “jewish” music garbage of today. That music is merely an art and it doesnt bring anyone down. Some Rabbanim are known to listen to classical music. It doesnt help that a Jew composed it as I said again and again…its what motivated them when they composed it.

  • #914944

    shmendrick
    Member

    “Is rabbit meat more kosher or less kosher than bacon?” They are both treif. So is ALL the music out there according to the possek hador of America, Reb Moshe (Teshuvot Igrot Moshe 1:160).

    Why are some commentators trying to kasher the “bacon” while others feel that only “rabbit” meat is kosher.

    Either we keep halacha and it is all treif, or we don’t keep halacha, then all rules are off and everything is kosher.

  • #914945

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    I’m glad at least Torah True leaders have thought it important enough. They’re concerned enough about the YID, the kedushas Yisroel, as they are about bein adam lachavero. All through the generations, our TRUE Gedolim were like that. ???? ??????? is not just something hypercritical to them. So they care about anything (however minor on your list) that’s contrary to our spiritual health.

  • #914946

    If you really dislike it, don’t give it free advertising. And whatever you do, don’t ban it.

  • #914947

    iced
    Member

    When the Gedolim shlit”a banned him last time, it forced him to cancel the event. We need more such decisive action.

  • #914948

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    And whatever you do, don’t ban it.

    Great Advice…

  • #914949

    batseven
    Participant

    Iww.. GROSS. that video was totally disgusting!!

    Hashem please help your people!

    And if you dont understand what is terribly wrong about that video then may Hashem look after you and protect you……..

  • #914950

    WIY
    Member

    torah613613torah

    “If you really dislike it, don’t give it free advertising. And whatever you do, don’t ban it.”

    If something hurts you you scream OUCH. The Rabbanim have an obligation to scream out when theres Tumah infecting our machaneh.

  • #914951

    zahavasdad – thanks.

    Anyway, it’s too late now.

  • #914952

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I think the ban comment went over peoples head, when you ban something , then everyone wants to see it.

    Look at making of a gadol, It was banned so everyone wants to read it, the only reason most havent is its hard to get. The song and video have been released on the internet, there is no way to put the cat back in the bag

  • #914953

    Swimming613
    Member

    HOLD THE PRESS!!

    This is 60 times worse. Especially from what this song was originally. How can anybody even remotely consider starting their marriage like this?

    lPvtFWu5FuE

  • #914954

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    last year people were saying the YBC were committing a Chilul Hashem for being on TV and their video.

  • #914955

    WIY
    Member

    Swimming

    I have no words….

  • #914956

    You have no right to judge Matisyahu. You do not know what he keeps and what he doesn’t

    He is as Jewish as you are.

  • #914957

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Does anyone know what ‘Acher’ used to hum?

  • #914958

    First, let’s be a little open-minded here. There is different types of music for everyone. Some people say MBD is goyish, only Regesh is allowed. I have personally heard many rabbanim speak out against blogging, yet here you are doing just that. I have never heard personally any Rav speak against Lipa. The fact that you are reading this, coupled with the fact you watched the video proves you are no tzaddik. Watch it or don’t, it’s a personal choice. Speaking loshon harah, that’s not one of the choices. The criticism appears to be low-self-esteem. BTW, I think the video is a little over the the top, basically jewish mtv. But that’s what Lipa is trying to do, constantly push the envelope. If you don’t like it, close your computer and open a hilchos lashon horah. A freilechen Chanukah (and Purim) to all. Pass the doughnuts!

  • #914959

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Therapist

    If you’d be truly open-minded, you’d understand what’s bothering the majority of Torah Jews. You have to be open-minded enough to sense the inherent tuma in that style, genre or whatever. You’ve never hear of any Rav speak against it? Really? Are you really open-minded?

    btw, hilchos lashon hora permits (even exaggerating), if I recall correctly. Someone who has a bad influence may be spoken about. Correct me if I’m wrong.

  • #914960

    Mammele
    Participant

    Swimming: you are right that this is much worse, but these are unfortunately “rogue” singers/dancers at a wedding you’d be embarrassed to attend for many reasons. At a wedding like this you say b”h there was no mixed dancing. And I’m not trying to lessen the negative aspect of it, but let’s call a spade a spade. Enough said.

  • #914962

    Ananas12
    Member

    it’s really easy to talk negatively about him.. instead of doing that , why you are not trying to be “mekarev” him if you think that he is “so lost”.

    im not saying i agree with him , but i just don’t understand the purpose of this thread.. because it won’t really help anyone in anyway…

    Freilichin Chanukah

  • #914963

    iced
    Member

    Ananas: So that others are aware of this bum’s public aveiros and aren’t c’v nichshol by listening or watching him.

  • #914964

    miritchka
    Member

    I’ve never been into Lipa’s music to start with cuz i dont speak yiddish nor do i understand it when its spoken/sung so quickly.

    Seeing his music videos were entertaining at first. Clean, with meaning, and was done because (per the rumors i’ve heard) he wouldnt perform in front of mixed crowds. This made me recognize him as a wonderful singer who could have a major impact on his listeners.

    However, as the style of his music changed and his appearance at live concerts/performances/circus’ went from none to seperate crowds to family seating, I saw how wrong i was.

    Like i mentioned before, I’m not a fan of his in general, but i was dissappointed as there are many, many teens who admire him and they are the most impressionable of all.

    His attire in his music videos too went from clean to questionable. I did see his most recent music video – miracles – and was appaled at how he changed his mode of dress and how his Jewish (i sincerely hope they are) backup singers were dressed. I mean there were some scenes where it looked like he was placed in a non-Jewish music video!

    Hopefully this whole ban issue will speak to Lipa and bring back the real Lipa that we can look up to once again.

  • #914965

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Can anyone imagine a sincere ehrlich person publishing a Pesach Hagadah which includes their photo on every page! And to make matters worse, Judaica bookstores carry these “Hagadahs”; and even worse, people buy it.

  • #914966

    Toi
    Member

    “bring back the real Lipa that we can look up to once again.”

    Never was, never will be. His recent antics have been michazek my emunas chachomim greatlt. From when he put out ‘gelt’ my rabbeim said they saw this coming and we smirked. and now he films himself in a music video that couldve come from any pop star. maybe we should leanr to trust our rabbeim and rabbonim, and not wait for theyre chashashos to come true.

  • #914968

    RedNails19
    Member

    Pleeeeeeez- u ppple needs calm down; if u don’t find lipa appropriate for your kids, no-problem, they don’t have to see a grown man making a fool of himself and making pple laugh!

    But no one here is one to talk, I’m sorry!!! Start focusing on the pple in our community even trying to make entertainment in the Jewish community a little more hip than all the garbage tv and the Internet has to offer, excuse me, but I don’t see u using ur talents to benefit our kids education in entertainment form; like uncle Moshe and Shmuel kunda zt”l.

    U wanna see inappropriate go on to utube and check out the viral video already at eighty thousand of a concert at a wedding all the guys high and drunk off their faces singing gangnam style.

    Lets stop making fusses- just make changes in ur own life!

  • #914969

    WIY
    Member

    Rednails

    Guys like Lipa empower them and make them think its ok to be “goyish.”

  • #914970

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Banning Lipa will not make people listen to Dvekas style music. People who listen to Lipa , Matisyahu etc are not listen to say Reb Sholmo Brazil, they would listen to even more pop style instead

  • #914971

    WIY
    Member

    Zdad

    The problem is that Lipas cd’s are listened to in most chassidish homes. Homes that would never listen to non Jewish music and kids whos parents would never let the kids listen to non Jewish music and they themselves would never do so.

  • #914972

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    WIY

    I am fairly knowledgeable about pop culture

    I was a for Shabbos at my neighbors house who are very Charedi and are very careful what they allow in the house.

    Right in front of the parents the teenage daughters started talking about how they had gone to concerts of certain pop stars and the parents seemed oblivious to what they were saying. They really didnt have a clue what was going on. The parents are very old world and dont speak english that well (Which the children do) and the kids were really getting over on them. And Ive seen it many times with the same family. The parents are totally clueless. Ive heard my kids listen to songs I do not approve of and I asked them who told them about it and they said their friends. I met their friends parents, they were totally Charedi and obviously were clueless about what these songs were about.

  • #914973

    RED NAILS its time for green ones

    We let our guard down long enough we as the jewish nation have to put our foot down when the feeling is so mutual.

    We are loosing connection with Hashem everyday further away and we are becoming accustom to SHMUTZ rchl we need a big yeshua but we could be the yeshua we all have say with a strong voice that this is wrong. Don’t we all want aidele children with chein with a yidishe temimisdike look on them. Does everyone need to look like they are stoned. chapplap in shul with no feelings . This is a direct result of the sheim hashem nikra alecha slowly leaving us because we are filling up that ruchniosdike yurning with shmuts not eidele songs videos gathering WE WANT TO BE AIDEL TEMIMISDIK simple love for Hashem , that cannot be done with garbage in our homes minds.

    Kol hayochol limchos vaino moiche . nitfas al anshei beiso iro vkol haolam . rabosai we must voice our opinion strong

    go the the video and vote it down request from Lipa to TAKE IT DOWN

    WE DONT WANT SHMUTZ ANYMORE

  • #914974

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Thank you Jewish Source.

    Well put!!

  • #914975

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Perhaps a friend of Lipa’s can clue us in on why Lipa seems to be leaning towards more secular type videos, from what I saw in the clip.

    Could be that they made a business decision to increase the fan base, and thought that they would be attracting more listeners and customers, so losing the old ones who were saddened by the loss of the heimish flavor, etc would not affect them badly, financially.

    They had to have realized that this Chanukah video is very different in flavor than his others. Its not the same Lipa.

    Sad that the frumme oilem made Lipa the success that he became.

    I cant see more secular type people becoming fans of Lipa. Who knows though.

  • #914976

    2scents
    Participant

    I think that it’s not that bad that he is officially disassociating himself from the frum oilem.

    At lease he is showing his true colors.

  • #914977

    YITZCHOK2
    Member

    with the chillul hashem we just witnessed from “UNZERER” would you wnat people to think you were one of them?

  • #914978

    Hocker101
    Member

    Shraga18:

    If a Fiat is a Ferrari to you then please give me the money for a Ferrari and I will buy you one (aka: fiat).

  • #914979

    kkls45
    Member

    my friend attended a Chanukah party in which lipa was the entertainment, and she said that he not sing his new Chanukah song at all.

  • #914980

    chalilavchas
    Member

    my friend attended a Chanukah party in which lipa was the entertainment, and she said that he not sing his new Chanukah song at all.

    Yeah, but it seems to me that hes changing direction in the move away from Heimish flavor towards a more Goyish-feeling flavor. He had to have realized that before the video became public and was ok with it. I cant see any other Heimish singers coming out with a video like that (a woman putting on make-up, and not such Tzniusdik clothing).

  • #914981

    RedNails19
    Member

    WIY and Jewish Source

    I really do agree with you, but maybe you’re living in a little shteltle somewhere in yehupitville, i dont know. but i know where I live, in New York- EVERYTHING is OPEN, and all our kids see and hear all the psychotic stuff that goes on and all the garbage. Do i think Lipa poses as a controversial issue- yes. but thats my own opinion. Is he doing something wrong, i don’t know; im no posek. Do i think he looks dumb and want my kids to watch him, not necc. but i would MUCH rather them enjoy his shtuss than to go and sit and let their minds gets absorbed with such stupidity and immorality the TV and Internet has to show!

  • #914982

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Red,

    but i would MUCH rather them enjoy his shtuss than to go and sit and let their minds gets absorbed with such stupidity and immorality the TV and Internet has to show!

    True!

    But much of the Oilem liked him just the way he was, so why did he have to move to the left? Id love to know. Do he and his advisors think he’ll attract more customers this way? I think not, so why did he need this change?

  • #914983

    brisket
    Participant

    I find it interesting that throughout the discussion everyone has criticized his antics, yet no one has mentioned any problems with the song itself except for the Ferrari issue.

    I find this interesting because music has a much greater effect on a person than anything else and after listening to the song I couldn’t make heads or tales as to the purpose of the song and was forced to google the lyrics.

  • #914985

    Mammele
    Participant

    If you’d listen to him on the Zev Brenner show before chanukah you’d be more clued in. He’s apparently taking college courses to improve his English as well as studying performing arts. Although most of us were happy with the “old Lipa” he’s traveling all over the world for really big bucks, not all these guys are so frum and he’s trying to both impress and “blend in”. At least that’s my take on it. I really liked his “temimos” if that’s the right word, and will miss his old style if he continues on this path. B”H I’ve never had this nisoyon.

  • #914986

    Ðash®
    Participant

    But much of the Oilem liked him just the way he was, so why did he have to move to the left? Id love to know. Do he and his advisors think he’ll attract more customers this way? I think not, so why did he need this change?

    But a good portion of his original fan base are following Rabbis who are boycotting him so he needs to find new fans. I usually don’t follow him simply because I don’t like his music but other than replacing Yiddish with English, I don’t see much of a differance between this video and his earlier releases.

    Was there something objectional with my previous post on this thread or did I just forget to press “Send”?

  • #914987

    Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    My son who likes Lipa thought this was somewhat typical and not so different. If you pay attention you will notice lubavitch ‘stuff’ throughout. We just assumed he made this with/for them to use in their outreach. If that IS the case (my son mentioned it, not me) than some of us here may owe him a bit of an apology.

  • #914988

    miritchka
    Member

    Red Nails: “maybe you’re living in a little shteltle somewhere in yehupitville, i dont know. but i know where I live, in New York- EVERYTHING is OPEN, and all our kids see and hear all the psychotic stuff that goes on and all the garbage. “

    Mammele: “Although most of us were happy with the “old Lipa” he’s traveling all over the world for really big bucks, not all these guys are so frum and he’s trying to both impress and “blend in”.”

    This is a problem not only here but all over the Jewish world where we are trying to ‘blend in’. We are different, we are special, we shouldnt try to blend in! Isnt this the reason we were taken out of mitzrayim – the fact that we remained pure and lived solely for Hashem? That we didnt change our clothing and language?

    If we know our children are exposed to all the garbage, we should be doing other things to distract them from outside influences. I’m not experienced, but just letting children listen to things we know they shouldnt listen to, or wearing things we know they shouldnt wear, or doing things we know they shouldnt be doing, etc.. because we live in a society where everything is open so ‘lets pick and choose the best option of things they shouldnt be doing to prevent them from doing worse’, is twisted thinking.

    We are an am kadosh and we are different…

  • #914990

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Syag,

    If you pay attention you will notice lubavitch ‘stuff’ throughout. We just assumed he made this with/for them to use in their outreach. If that IS the case (my son mentioned it, not me) than some of us here may owe him a bit of an apology.

    Ive seen Outreach films and I dont think showing a woman with sleeves above the elbow and putting on make-up are prerequisites and will neccessarily make them any more of a success.

  • #914991

    The producer happens to be affiliated with Chabad, so he filmed it in Crown Heights.

    It is a commercial video, not an outreach film.

  • #914992

    MorahRach
    Member

    Can someone explain to me what all this fuss is about? My husband and I had to watch the video after reading this thread. I can understand people saying its a dumb video, the lyrics make zero sense, he is acting like a fool, but what is so BAD. I had to try 3 times to actually freeze frame so I could see ” elbows” that’s how quick it was. I am honestlyore disturbed that so many men here noticed. That really dampens my spirits. I only hope that in the real world my husband is not trying so hard to see a woman look untsnius.

  • #914993

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Morah,

    I am honestlyore disturbed that so many men here noticed.

    To what do you credit your knowledge of which posters are male and which are female?

    Anyhow, never mind the details, its not at all Heimish feeling, to the slightest degree, except for Lipa’s look and accent. His other projects were Heimish feeling.

  • #914994

    Years ago, people said the same thing about MBD and Yidden, Yidden. This, too, shall pass.

    Lipa never claimed to be anything but a commercial singer who is in it for GELT. This video wasn’t great, but he’s not going oisvorf and he’s not the next Matisyahu.

  • #914995

    uneeq
    Member

    TheBear: If Lipa had any talent, Matisyahu would’ve been the next Lipa.

  • #914996

    MorahRach
    Member

    Correct, I do not know that the people who said they froze the frame were men. I apologize I should not jump to conclusions. However, don’t you think it’s worse to point out where to freeze frame to see a speck of a woman’s elbow, on this site. Oy to me that is worse.

  • #914997

    a mamin
    Participant

    The feeling I got from watching this clip is, it was totally rap music. NOT AT ALL FOR OUR NATION! I feel sorry for him, with all his talents that he decided to go this way! My husband said it would happen years ago….. I guess he was right again!

  • #914998

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Does he really think secular Jews and non-Jews will buy his stuff? I cant see it.

    What is he thinking?

  • #914999

    WIY
    Member

    chalilavachas

    He’s delusional. He doesn’t have the talent to compete in that arena. He is no Mattisyahu. I don’t see his endgame. He is like all those tuna beigel kids who “think” they convincingly look and sound not chassidish but don’t realize how pathetic they come across. This is another example of what happens to a person when he isn’t connected to Torah and has no guidance. He needs an intervention and quickly before he goes too far and ruins his own career.

  • #915000

    chalilavchas
    Member

    Lets all Heib of Inzere Hentelech Tzu Tatte in Himmel asap, for Lipa’s sake.

  • #915001

    just me
    Member

    Therapist, I agree with you but this lashon hara is SO much fun to write and read. And since we are all anonymous, it is even more fun to say…er…write. But we are all tzadikim speaking about a rasha so we all know that is correct, good and praise worthy. I’m sure there will be a special place in Olam Haba waiting for all of us lashon hara l’shaim Shamayim speakers…writers.

  • #915002

    just me
    Member

    BTW, Lipa dropped everything and ran to entertain a child he didn’t even know because the mother (my friend) saw him and told him about her son who was in the hospital and was a fan.

    This is for sure the midah of a rasha.

  • #915003

    shmoel
    Member

    just me: If you do a good deed then you are absolved from all your bad deeds. Gotcha.

  • #915004

    chalilavchas
    Member

    just me, youre 100% right, its Lashon Hara. I have heard as well that he’s very into Chesed.

    Unfortunately, its painful to be losing performers, one by one, who we previously felt comfortable with, hashkafa-wise, who entertained our children and granchildren together with adults.

    Lipa is silly/funny and amusing, not just a dry performer, and yet not totally for children like Uncle Moishi.

    He was in that middle range that adults and children both enjoyed. Who else is there who fills that need?

  • #915005

    shmoel
    Member

    That isn’t a “need”.

  • #915006

    “think” they convincingly look and sound not chassidish

    LOL. He is showing that Chassidim are human and fun and friendly by exaggerating his levush, singing in Yiddish, and stressing his tzebrochin Aynglish no matter where he performs. (If he is taking college courses in English it is so he can sing or even write lyrics in English and know what rhymes and what doesn’t – for instance, he could sing my “Food Shtemps far Alle Yidden” knowing he has to pronounce Tzu Drayt like a Litvak to get it to rhyme with Section 8 :)).

  • #915007

    chalilavchas
    Member

    shmoel

    That isn’t a “need”.

    You are right! Its not a need for those who live a life of 100% Ruchnius. But not everyone can.

    Everything beyond very basic and humble types of food, clothing and shelter is Gashmius. Not too many in our Dor live Gashmius-free lives.

    Some need fancy this and fancy that, some need entertainment… We all have different weaknesses.

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