May 9, 2012 2:25 am at 2:25 am #603320
Hi, I am looking into seminaries… Not sure which one to apply to there are so many!
anyway, I’m looking for a yeshivish sem with very non-jappy type of girls. Nothing too hard. A sem where everyone is friends with each other… Putting all differences aside. One where you grow a lot! A lot a lot a lot! When I say nothing too hard I mean– not an overwelming amount of homework and stuff, but not one where you are chilling all day. Out-of-town type. People recomended bnos sarah and mechon raya. Agree/disagree? Thanks.
May 9, 2012 3:20 am at 3:20 am #907777
BS and MR are very growing type places, with a lot of work but not what i would consider ‘yeshivish’.
I would say the two yeshivish places in Israel are more Tiferes and Hadar, Tiferes being more chilled in a sense of hard work, but still a lot of growing goes on.
MR and BS are very similar; I would say both fit your description, aside from the ‘yeshivish’ part. They are BY, and have BY girls that go, but they are not Yeshivish…
May 9, 2012 3:29 am at 3:29 am #907778
If this is for next year its far to late be applying now.
May 9, 2012 3:35 am at 3:35 am #907779
both have a lot of work. both have wonderful girls and a warm staff.
based off your description, i’d personally recommend me’ohr and ateres.
May 9, 2012 7:26 am at 7:26 am #907780
Sounds like Bnos Chana / Halichos might be perfect for you. It is a more relaxed Bais Yaakov school with two programs. The Bnos Chana program is all day limudei kodesh with a strong emphasis on mussar lehaskil. There are tests and minimal homework, but it is very relaxed. It is a small place with a lot of inidividual attention.
Halichos is a more intense program geared towards girls who want to learn a profession on a high level without giving up on a full seminary experience. So there is a half day limudei kodesh, tiyulim, shabbatonim etc. The professional study options are: Graphic Art and Design including Photography; Early Childhood Education, and Cosmetology.
It is a great place and the girls who have gone are very happy (it is going into it’s fifth year).
May 9, 2012 8:22 am at 8:22 am #907781
twinkleSTAR: Ahem. Bnos Sarah is yeshivish up the yazoo. I would put it on par with Tiferes (or maybe even Hadar. But not quite.) Machon Raaya is OOT yeshivish. (And if you’re basing your opinion of either on how many button-downs and pleated skirts they wear, I have friends from both places who wear them all the time.)
Goq: lol, I actually applied in June. At least five girls from my seminary did also.
They both pretty much fit what the OP is looking for, but both have a pretty intense workload, so I’m not sure if they are for the OP. Based on what the OP is looking for, I recommend Tiferes. Or maybe Binas, but I’m not sure what the workload there is like. Ateres maybe also, but that happens to be one sem I know very little about, so I’m not so confident about that recommendation.
May 9, 2012 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #907782
OOM really? wow im surprised.
May 9, 2012 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #907783
OOM, not sure about your year, but this year the seminaries had 30% more applicants than previous years, so it was a a very hard year to get in. Excellent girls didn’t get in to any sems they applied to.
Nanny, there is a new seminary opening up for next year- I think it’s called kesser Chaya. It’s geared to the strong BY girl. but not intensely academic. That might be an option for you.
May 9, 2012 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #907784
Ha, if you knew me IRL you would roll your eyes and say “Typical.” 😛
May 9, 2012 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #907786
On what continent are you looking to attend seminary?
May 9, 2012 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #907787
Yeah, I think my age group is significantly smaller than the one below. In HS, our grade was half theirs. But anyway, my sem wasn’t the hock of the town when I applied, so admissions weren’t so competitive.
May 9, 2012 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #907788
twinkle star, the girls I know from bs and mr are very good, yeshivish girls. What makes you say that they are not?
the goq, I know it might sound crazy but no its not for next year, I’m actually in 11th grade and I don’t know why but I’ve been thinking about sem since the year started. 🙂
and I’m in a very hard, academic HS so really, I just want something easier than THAT.
I’m looking to go to sem in Israel. And ontheball, thanks for the suggestion but I think I would rather go to a sem which isn’t THAT new… You never really know what type it will end up being.
I actually considered meor, but I’ve been told girls there have a bit too much free time and for some reason I think it won’t be very yeshivish…
May 9, 2012 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #907789
to twinklestar I meant, what have you heard about them that makes you feel they are not yeshivish? Thanks everyone.
May 10, 2012 2:54 am at 2:54 am #907790
Hey OOM and nanny…I’m not saying ANYTHING bad about BS and MR, Just its a fact that Hadar and Tiferes are way more yeshivish then any other seminary.
Nachlas, BYA, BJJ, BS, MR, BC are all VERY good BY seminaries, but Hadar and Tiferes are for the more yeshivish crowd.
Sorry if you took it in any other way. Personally, I think Machon Raaya and Bnos Sara are really good sems, but u said ur looking for a yeshivish place, so hadar and Tiferes were the first two places that came to mind.
When saying that, I didn’t intend anything negative, u mustv’e taken it the wrong way, and I’m sorry.
May 10, 2012 3:15 am at 3:15 am #907792
I think you we are mistaking each others’ meanings. When the OP said “yeshivish,” I think she was referring to the spectrum of yeshivish BY seminaries, not b’davka to the far right extreme. (Part of what clued me in was her mention of the “out-of-town type.” The far right extreme and the “out-of-town type” pretty much mutually exclusive.) But also… you did say “BS and MR are…not what i would consider ‘yeshivish,'” which has a very different meaning than “Hadar and Tiferes are way more yeshivish.” Just saying.
Parenthetically, Bnos Sarah is pretty uber-yeshivish. Machon Raaya is a little more OOT-ish. I would put Bnos Sarah on the same tier as Hadar and Tiferes. MR I would not.
May 10, 2012 3:57 am at 3:57 am #907793
@OOM By writing, ‘I wouldn’t consider yeshivish”
You may have a diff. meaning of Yeshivish, then What I would consider yeshivsh.
Yeshivish to me is s/thing like Hadar and Tiferes
Nachlas, BYA, BJJ, Machon Raaya, Bnos Sarah, Bnos Chava etc, are all what I would consider BY, but not Yeshivish.
Another definition – Yours? may mean, there all yeshivish, but some more extreme than the other, which is what i was outlining in my last post,
When I saw the word Yeshivish, hadar and Tiferes came to mind, but yeah I see what your saying, and I said I was sorry ;/
May 10, 2012 4:30 am at 4:30 am #907794
Okay, you can define yeshivish however you’d like, but since your opinion is not the general consensus, you probably shouldn’t be giving out general advice based on it.
May 10, 2012 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #907795
The niece of a a good friend is very happy at a new seminary, Bnos Chaim, in Lakewood. Hatzlacha rabbah…
May 10, 2012 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #907796
@OOM and u dont give advice based on your opinion?!?!?
and, ummm…nanny, u wrote “Good, yeshivish girls.”
Does Yeshivish define how “Good” a person is? There are many “good” girls that aren’t yeshivish…
and, no I haven’t heard anything bad abt either places. I think they are really good seminaries, but, again u wrote Yeshivish, so hadar and tiferes came to mind…i didn’t mean anything else….
May 11, 2012 1:01 am at 1:01 am #907797
oh, gosh, it look like i have to be super duper careful with every word i use. Of course not, twinklestar! Hardly any of my friends are yeshivish. Most girls in my school are not yeshivish. You, obviously, can be an absoluetly outstanding person without being yeshivish!
when i said good yeshivish girls idk i was just saying that they are also good girls 😉 sorry if it sounded wrong… What comes to mind for you when you say yeshivish? Lakewood girls with rabbinical backgrounds or something like that? I dont need THAT type of yeshivish. I guess i would consider the sems you mentioned, so thats yeshivish enough for me! 🙂
shtarkzich, thanks for the suggestion but i want to go to seminary in Israel.
May 11, 2012 3:12 am at 3:12 am #907798
Off the top of my head I can think of
May 11, 2012 3:47 am at 3:47 am #907799
I mentioned this seminary because they are supposedly not only half the price of Israel but also have a midyear trip to Israel as part of their curriculum. Hatzlacha rabbah whatever you decide.
May 11, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #907800
Obviously I do, but only if it is a well-informed opinion. Otherwise I indicate that my own feelings my be tainting my knowledge of the subject.
I really don’t know how you define yeshivish, but I define it as having a fixed devotion and sense of self-efficacy toward Torah, da’as Torah, and a torah lifestyle.. The externals don’t figure in primarily, but they are generally influenced. Why don’t you share what you think yeshivish means?
May 11, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #907801
shtarkzich– thanks for the idea, sounds ok. thanks for taking your time to post! means a lot.
the money might be a bit of an issue, but lots of people stress on the importance of being in Israel for a year, something about it…
May 11, 2012 5:08 am at 5:08 am #907802
“Nachlas, BYA, BJJ, Machon Raaya, Bnos Sarah, Bnos Chava etc, are all what I would consider BY, but not Yeshivish.”
May 15, 2012 3:28 am at 3:28 am #907803
In my opinion bjj is as yeshivish as it gets! ( not intendin to offend pple!)
May 15, 2012 4:19 am at 4:19 am #907804
May 15, 2012 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #907805
You’re describing almost perfectly Ateres!
It’s getting much more yeshivish and is famous for being very friendly, very little social pressure
May 16, 2012 9:14 am at 9:14 am #907806
I went to Bnos Chana this past year and had an amazing year. Your description is exactly what the sem is like. Great frum/yeshivish girls, low pressure but lots of great learning and growth. Everyone got so close it was AMAZING! BTW the staff was also incredible. You should really check it out.
May 16, 2012 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #907807
Once again, a thread where almost no one is talking to each other, because of their assumption that they will be understood when using the word “yeshivish”.
May 16, 2012 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #907808
Bnos Chava is not low pressure. Sorry
May 16, 2012 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #907809
Bnos Chana, not Chava.
May 16, 2012 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #907810
Ateres also came to my mind. Great place. But I have tried to get my daughter to tell me what yeshivish means and I still dont get it.
May 16, 2012 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #907811
Whats bnos chana?
May 16, 2012 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #907812
It’s a seminary.
May 16, 2012 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #907813
May 17, 2012 12:07 am at 12:07 am #907814
August 10, 2012 12:45 am at 12:45 am #907815
Ontheball, can you tell me more about kesser chaya?
August 20, 2012 3:13 am at 3:13 am #907816
Hi guys, thanks for posting I really appreciate it!
anyways, I found out a drop about several other sems and i was hoping some of you who have been there/ know a lot about them would be able to share some of your info with me. These are some I might be looking into:
BYA, Nachlas, Mechon Raya, Bnos Sarah, Tiferes, Hadar, Kesser Chaya, Binas, Ateres, and Seminar.
Please describe the type of crowd that goes there, and the academics. Try to keep in mind my earlier post describing what I want in a seminary. Thanks in advance.
And to those of you who are wondering, when I say yeshivish I mean VERY frum, not necessarily the kind that where black all the time and who’s fathers learn in kollel full time. Just the type that don’t watch movies, don’t listen to non-Jewish music, don’t show their knees even while sitting, don’t wear a ton of makeup every day, and also have a thirst to learn Torah… like, not just class-related stuff. Hope that clears it up. 🙂
August 20, 2012 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #907817
I am thrilled for you that you seem to really know what you are looking for! Good for you! The seminaries that you mentioned you are looking into are very different from one another… It’s hard to give information in a place like this for there are so many different types of people, and we don’t know each other! So what may be considered yeshivish for you may be considered modern for me and maybe the opposite! get what I’m saying? I went to Ateres which I saw is one that you are looking into and would be more then happy to give you any information I you need! I loved it more then anything and could talk about it for days! 😉
August 21, 2012 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #907818
Thanks for the offer, candy613! Don’t mind if I do.
Yeah I wold really like to find more out about Ateres’s crowd! So here are some questions for you:
1) Do you think the girls fit my description of “yeshivish”?
2) Are they more out-of-town-ish or more in-town-ish?
3) Jappy/ not?
4) Small/ big?
5) Hard/ easy?
6) Is there any social pressure, or is everyone BFF with each other?
7) Any other seminary you can compare it to to give me a bigger picture?
Thanks 🙂 And try to give me the most honest answers you can, even though I know you loved sem 😉 I was actually seriously considering Ateres…
August 23, 2012 1:32 am at 1:32 am #907819
Wow! I’m so excited! I love talking about my school! So I would much rather talk about it more personally with you then post here, so if the mods would give you my email address that would be great, but I could start here.
So, I’m not sure what you call yeshivish, but Ateres is a HUGE mix! If you want a more cookie cutter all the same type seminary, then Ateres is really just not for you. There were so many different types of girls! I will say, even though me as well as many other girls there were more the black and white type, shabbos was a little colorful. They were all bais yaakov girls, but from different places. we had some girls who had gotten into tiferes and hadar, some more bnos chava type, some bya type we had it all!!! No one made me feel uncomfortable in ANY way! It is definitely more on the out of towny side, which I happened to love, for it made everything so warm and sweet, and everyone was yes as you say bffs! We did have a bunch of girls from NY but they were not the superficial type and were very warm so enjoyed the out of town part of it. it went from like 48 girls to 60 and this year is 80 so who knows what it will be for you! I have a feeling it will be somewhere in between 60 and 80. Whatever it is though, it is the warmest place you will find. Every seminary has a maala they are known for, and I believe Ateres is known to have the warmest staff ever!!!! Even though this year is a little bigger then mine, I know it will be just as warm, because that’s just what Ateres is!
About hard/easy: There is a place for everyone! There are 3 tracks. Actually 3 tracks for the more textual subjects and 2 for the more hashkafah subjects so everyone found their places! There were brilliant girls who were put in class 1 and had lots of prep and reports and stuff then there was the middle class (which I was in) had some prep but you had prep class in the day with navi and chumash tutors which was like 4 girls to 1 teacher and this was one of my favorite classes!!! And then there is a 3rd class which is easier you know not as much prep and all tests in English. They are super flexible and work with you wherever you are!!! It’s really great because you feel very cared for! They have an incredible academic adviser who is actually one of the teachers who everyone loves and she understands everyone and is more then happy to give you extensions or modifications if need be!
So about social pressure, I never have seen something so special in my life! There was ZERO negative peer pressure. By saying that I don’t mean that the whole place was nerds and not put together. There were girls that were plenty with it with full face makeup the belts scarves, you know really getting dressed everyday, and then there were girls who were more chilled but everyone was friends with everyone for real!!! I was always amazed and thought I was dreaming because I have never heard of such a thing and just loved it! I don’t want to compare it to other seminaries at least on here, but I would love to give you more information privately! I actually wrote something up for another girl interested in Ateres and would love to email it to you! Sorry I went on a whole tagent. I hope you can read and understand this and please feel free to ask any more questions!
August 23, 2012 2:25 am at 2:25 am #907820
Oh, wow candy613! You have no idea how much this helped. Thanks for taking the time to post!! I would love to get your email… I don’t really know how to, though… I’ll try to figure it out!
August 23, 2012 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #907821
No problem! Ya try to figure it out… I don’t how or if it will happen though. Are you really looking into Ateres? If you need any more info let me know, and if you are looking for any info about the other seminaries you mentioned before I may be able to help you because I had some very close friends there and do know about them quite a bit. The most important think to keep in mind is that it is all min hashamayim! Wherever Hashem wants you to go, THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL END UP! Things can get quite interesting in that way! I applied to Ateres and another seminary, really wanting to go to the other seminary. I actually got into both! I super close to going to the other seminary and then ended up deciding Ateres would be better for me. I’m thrilled with the decision I made at the end, it was just funny, because for years I thought I was for sure going to the other one! So don’t get too worried about it! Good luck, and keep me posted!
August 23, 2012 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #907822
Yes, I am really seriously interested in Ateres. Several of my friends told me they see me there.
So, I’m trying to get your email, but for the time being, do you know anything about Tiferes, Bnos Sarah, and Mechon Raaya? And what’s the difference between Mechon Raaya and Ateres?
(Usually, When I ask people about Tiferes, all I get is “Its very yeshivish.” Do you have any other info about it?) Thank you!
August 23, 2012 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #907823
So like I said before, each seminary has its own maala. Bnos Sara’s is that it completely runs on trust! They have great girls who they are able to do this with. Bnos Sara is a bit of a mix, not as big as Ateres, and not as out of towny as Ateres, but the girls are known to be very good girls as Ateres has also. It’s definetely more textual, and more academic. They have a lot of work, a lot of very hard big reports. I have a very close friend who went there, and she was showing me also most of the classes are in Hebrew, don’t know if that’s something that you can handle or enjoy… It’s a tough place but a great place!
Tiferes like you know is very yeshivish. If you want a non mixed cookie cutter type of place which is not a bad thing, Tiferes kinda fits that. Obviously not everyone is the same, but it is not a mix at all compared to all the other seminaries. It is not really academic and has more hashkafah then the average seminary except Ateres and Meohr. It is smaller at least it was not sure now, and it has a very nice atmosphere. It is very yeshivish, not a lot of color if you know what I mean which I do not mean in a bad way at all. I had a bunch of classmates there as well and they loved it, and visiting them showed me why they love it so much!
Machon Raaya is probably the most similar to Ateres then the others you have mentioned. Like Ateres it is very warm, the teachers are approachable, and all that nice stuff. It is for more intelectual people (one reason I didn’t go 😉 It is a lot of work, and busy work! The girls are a little more in towny then Ateres, but not crazy in towny. The girls seem to be extremely nice and it’s a great seminary as well. I’m making the differences seem very small but they really are bigger. These places are all very different I hope you can kinda get a picture of each place. Please take notice that I believe all the places you mentioned are incredible not just Ateres, I just love it and am of course biased.
Feel free to ask any other questions I’m open!! 😉
August 26, 2012 3:42 am at 3:42 am #907824
wowee, I’m getting excited! Ateres sounds great!
And you’re so cute, I could tell you really loved seminary!
So, I really hope I won’t be offending anyone with my questions, but since I haven’t found a way of getting your email address yet (which is a pity 🙁 ) I have no choice but to ask you in public. So, is it the type that in Ateres, when several girls are in there rooms, they would play non-Jewish music? Or, if they are sitting, is it the type that I would see a lot of knees? (sorry I just hate seeing knees!) Sorry for the awkward questions… And its not that I think Ateres is like that … I don’t know, I’m just making sure. Thanks for understanding! And thanks for your help in general! It means a lot to me ! 😉
August 26, 2012 5:23 am at 5:23 am #907825
You sound like an awesome person from the way your questions are worded! I’m really seeing you in Ateres more and more! 😉 I understand why you are hesitant to post such questions, but it’s really fine, and I was far from offended in any way!
So I went to seminary not wishing to have to listen to any goyish music either, and not even having it on my i-pod or anything, and was also nervous. To answer your question I just want to say that I had a very good friend who did so well in seminary, and straight out at her interview she said I’m not sure if your seminary is for me because I listen to not jewish music, and watch videos at home. My principal answered her that she will not be able to have access to videos while you are here which will be great, and about not jewish music, she cannot control what is on other people’s i-pods, but will not allow it to be played in the dorm! So yes there were a few people who I knew had such music on their i-pods not in a sneaky way, just that they were not yet at the point to take it off. It was never a problem for me though. No one ever would turn it on for anyone else to hear, and many girls themselves removed it from their i-pods during the year as well, so although I totally get your worry there, Ateres is not a place where you would have to worry about such a concept!
I feel the same way about knees! It’s nice to see someone is like me in that way!!! And yes that problem does exist in the most yeshivish of schools and communities! Ateres is an extremely growthful type of place and the halachos of tznius and many other things were talked about bluntly and openly and because the atmosphere was so accepthing and ready to grow higher it really wasn’t a problem either. It was talked about in the beginning of the year how it really isn’t acceptable in Ateres and also through our Tznius Yom Iyun we learned more about it, and by then even the people it was hard for really were doing fine! I wish I can describe the atmosphere, it was really nice how people were able to each on their own level (and there were girls in many different places) make advances and become so much greater and stronger in areas they were having trouble in for sure by the end of the year!
The questions are so not awkward your are so smart for asking such things, it shows you really want to make the most of your year! It’s so not a problem I’m glad i can help even if it’s not the greatest! I’m always here! Good Luck!
August 27, 2012 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #907826
Nanny, I think it would help if you would define to us what your definition of Yeshivish is, because you see how everyone is answering based on where they come from. To people who are more modern, BJJ is as far right as you can get. To other people, it may seem less extreme than other seminaries. It depends where you are coming from. So if you want an answer that will help you, you should let us know more about where YOU are coming from, and your definition of yeshivish.
August 27, 2012 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #907827
OK, good. I really hate it when i get into those type of situations!
I know I get really uncomfortable when girls sing that stuff in front of me! Sometimes I have to ask them to kindly stop singing that, because some of us here don’t listen to that stuff, and it gets all awkward! You know what I mean?
I’m glad you don’t see many knees there… That would have driven me crazy! Up the wall! (I suppose many things do :))
But most girls don’t even come in listening and watching, right? like less than 1/3?
Sorry about that… I did define “yeshivish” in an earlier post… guess you missed it. So I’ll copy and paste it here:
“And to those of you who are wondering, when I say yeshivish I mean VERY frum, not necessarily the kind that where black all the time and who’s fathers learn in kollel full time. Just the type that don’t watch movies, don’t listen to non-Jewish music, don’t show their knees even while sitting, don’t wear a ton of makeup every day, and also have a thirst to learn Torah… like, not just class-related stuff. Hope that clears it up. :)”
Thanks for asking!
August 27, 2012 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #907828
And thank you all for helping me out… and any other suggestions welcome. I think we have to apply to 3 sems in my school.
August 27, 2012 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #907829
Ya like I said it’s a big mix but ya its not a lot of people who come in with it, and even the ones who do you may not know about it. People don’t make their movie and music status public…. It’s really fine!
August 27, 2012 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #907830
OK then, thanks for calming me down 🙂
do you know of any other sems good for what I’m looking for? Most girls apply to aprox 3 I think.
August 28, 2012 1:32 am at 1:32 am #907831
So I applied to meohr as well, which I did get into, but I saw really wasn’t for me… I don’t really think it’s the type of place for you either. Have you looked into Seminar? A tun of girls from Ateres apply there too. Maybe look into Tiferes more it is a great place, I just don’t know you. If you want more academic look into Machon Raaya! Maybe Nachlas? Again since I don’t know you its hard ot say, but from your posts i think i really see you in Ateres, and if you are what they are looking for, you will be accepted without a doubt! I really think you should talk to people who know you who went to those places as well as teachers or seminary advisers! it’s very important! to have people who you can talk to especially from school. I know some schools especially on the east coast don’t always help, but try to take advantage of anything you can get!
August 28, 2012 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #907832
OK, so this is what I heard about several sems:
Seminar: not academic, party girls 🙂
MR: academic, New Yorkie, fun people
Ateres: Like MR just not as academic and out-of-townie
Bnos Sarah: academic, strong BY girls
Tiferes: yeshivish, yeshivish, yeshivish… lol
Did I get any wrong impressions?
This past summer I got to know a girl who is so cute I absolutely love her! She went to Tiferes, and she was telling me things that I liked a lot! Yeah, its very yeshivish (she told me I would have a culture shock if I went there) and the girls are very not exposed type but other than that she described them as Bnos Sarah type of girls. And I was also seriously thinking about Bnos Sarah, so I might look into Tiferes.
Another question: what type of average is Ateres looking for?
August 28, 2012 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #907833
Definitely helpful. For example, I would probably just say that’s “very frum.” To me, yeshivish is more the black hat type.
Tiferes is black hat type, and very very tznius. Like your questions about music are probably not even on their radar. bs, tiferes, mr, hadar (dont know about Ateres, but seems like youre getting enough information about that.)all have good solid girls, not jappy. As far as academics, bs and mr are known to be very academic, which doesnt sound exactly like what you want.
wishing you the best.
August 29, 2012 1:12 am at 1:12 am #907834
Does anybody know anything about Rabbi Yanofsky’s Lakewood Sem?
August 29, 2012 2:48 am at 2:48 am #907835
Realist: No, why? What is it?
Meira: Thanks for the info… Its funny, actually. Are you from out of town by any chance? Because previously that was always my interpretation of yeshivish, but then I had a discussion with my out of town friend and she described yeshivish as what you just described it as! And she also said that what I was describing was very frum!
August 29, 2012 7:21 am at 7:21 am #907836
Realist: It’s small, very hashkafa (as opposed to textual) based and yeshivish in hashkafa-meaning not into college, yes into kollel, etc.
Nanny: I live very much in town! But I guess it just shows that you have to make sure everyones discussing the same thing when you’re talking or it’s all worthless. Everything is so relative. I was discussing seminary x with a friend whose background is pretty far left and she says-“that’s as far right as you can get!” Whereas with my school friends, they can’t imagine going any further left…
gluck with your decision.
September 3, 2012 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #907837
OK I’ll keep that in mind!
candy613, if you’re still there 🙂 important q: what type of average would I need for Ateres?
September 5, 2012 4:38 am at 4:38 am #907838
There is some really valuable information here about Ateres which Im finding very helpful – thank you candy613! So since you said you love talking about your seminary I hope you dont mind if I jump on the bandwagon with a couple of questions.
1) What made you ultimately decide to go to Ateres?
2) Would I be intellectually challenged in Ateres. I happen to be a very studious girl in high school and get very good marks Baruch Hashem but I honestly dont want to kill myself like I have done over the last years in High school. However I love learning and really want deep classes that make you think and classes that they are not just restating the obvious. The good stuff in other words! One thing I hate about high school is that the work is to a great degree just memorizing your notes. I dont want that type of work in seminary. I want work that I will enjoy and will be intellectual, not just memorizing a bunch of facts and chazals.
3) Are there a lot of rules? I really want to be in a place with mature girls who the hanhalla trusts and dont feel they have to impose a million rules to keep them in check.
4) Are there a million tests throughout the year? I happen to enjoy reports ten times better then tests because I can create and add my own thoughts instead of just memorizing and spitting back. Is that something they encourage? Also how hard and intellectual is the first track? Will it be the type of work that Ill feel like I cant relax on shabbos or go out if I want to?
I have more questions but I dont want to scare you so Ill stop now. Thank you so much for your time!!
I am basically looking for a seminary with extremely nice, mature girls who have personality, are extremely openminded and worldly but yet are BY type, want to grow and do the right thing. I want to be intellectually challenged and have teachers who I can connect to and will have answers to my questions while not killing myself with an overwhelming amount of work. People tell me this is a dream seminary but Im gonna try to find a place as close to this as possible. Thanks a ton!
September 5, 2012 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #907839
Hi! I am still here, have just been a bit busy with starting a new semester in college… So about the averages, I do not believe that they are looking for a specific average. They don’t want someone with straight C’s who cannot care less about class, but if you have lots of B’s but are motivated, determined, and have a desire to gain in seminary and grow higher, then you are what they are looking for!
Ok so Musical dignity instead of answering your questions in order, I want to comment on your last paragraph and tell you that Yes that seminary you are describing is a dream, but that is EXACTLY what Ateres is! It is a real dream that comes true! I seriously would have to think to myself during the year this is just too good be true I must be dreaming and then have to pinch myself to see that it is real!!! It’s great! So yes, it sounds like Ateres might be very much what you are looking for!!!
So I ended up choosing Ateres, because what you described is exactly what I wanted, and Ateres just seemed to be the one and only perfect place that would fit that need for me. Meohr is very different as you know!
Every girl in Ateres is challenged on her own level which seems impossible but they do such a great job.. just don’t know how lol. In High school I worked very hard, was very motivated, and really ended up getting half A’s half B’s probably. I do much better with deep hashkafa classes then complicated textual classes. So Ateres somehow mixes the two together. They take your love for hashkafa and bridge your skills to textual as well without you even realizing! So about memorizing your notes, I totally get that and hate it too. I believe you will have a little bit of that anywhere you go, but it is much better in Ateres probably then anywhere else. Even the textual classes have a lot of hashkafa it is very cool how they work it out! I really disliked navi my entire life, and in seminary it was one of my favorite subjects!!! So you will see it will be great in that way! It is work but you will enjoy the work immensly! I never thought I would ever think in my lifetime that I would enjoy studying, but in seminary I really did because the classes were so great and stimulating!
There are rules, but nothing that would effect you if you are not looking to do wrong. There is a strong sense of trust in the girls, something I needed as well. There are rules about certain things, but you will appreciate the rules because they are just the basics of being a bais yaakov girl. Will you be upset if there are rules about not going to places that are considered hangouts at night? I know I wasn’t because that and the few other rules I knew were for us! The few rules they have they have a no tolerance policy for, but if you are a good kid which you sound like you are, you would never even come close to thinking of bending on them. I almost forgot we had such rules! It really wasn’t a problem!
There are some tests, not just midterms and finals like meohr, but not an overwhelming amount, and again I really enjoyed studying for them, and even though I am not crazy studious or brillian I did much better in seminary then I did in high school.
I was in the middle track. The higher track is for a girl who is very fluent in reading and understanding all meforshim without help… there is more to it, I will have to write more later just because I gotta run, but I might have written about it on a previous post not sure. I will write more about it later. Shabbos was never a problem you always had it for relaxation and rejuvination! Never needed to think about school on shabbos except maybe during midterms and finals depending on what the scedule was! Feel free to ask other questions!
September 5, 2012 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #907840
I don’t think it’s a dream seminary-Bnos Sarah is everything you described and more.
September 6, 2012 1:16 am at 1:16 am #907843
Thank you for your input not so sure if you can say such a thing without knowing that much about it… I did go so have the right to say that. I happen to agree that Bnos Sara is incredible beyond! I don’t know if you realize but it is a very academic place. Not all of us are brilliant enough to get in and survive there. Also some people like more hashkafa then bnos sara offers. For example an Ateres report would be on Ahavas Hashem with a lot of mussar sources while a bnos sara report may be on the travels of the shevatim in the midbar or the bigdei kehunah with more textual sources. I happen to love Bnos Sara too though! From this girl’s post it sounds like she doesn’t want such an academic place so that is why I mentioned that Ateres sounds more for her. I did go there so I know more about it and what they are looking for. It is nice to talk about other seminaries but there is no need to bash out others Thanks….
September 6, 2012 3:45 am at 3:45 am #907844
thank you so much for your responses! You dont know how helpful it is. It is extremely overwhelming to look at all these seminaries and try to narrow it down to two or three to apply to. A couple of more questions:)
1) You say that Ateres is not so academic – does that mean that its easy and that Ill feel totally unchallenged? I know that I keep repeating myself but I definitely do want to be intellectually challenged – I just want that without an extremely overwhelming workload. So just checking on that.
2) What is their dress code?
3) I happen to really respect men teachers and love their boundless knowledge. Are there a lot of men teachers or are they mostly women?
4) How would you compare Ateres to Machon Raya since that is a place that I am also seriously considering.
5) What schools did girls from Ateres come from?
6) Do they have trips etc during the year?
September 6, 2012 4:32 am at 4:32 am #907845
Hi again! You are doing fine it’s a really good thing to ask! I remember how hard it was for me and I am thrilled to do anything I can to help you!
So I wrote a lot in previous posts how Ateres compares to Machon Raaya so just go back and read a bit back on this thread.
About the academics, you will not feel unchallenged in the least bit! We had some very very brilliant and intelectual girls in our seminary! Girls that skipped grades ect… You will so not have a problem! There is hachana to do, There are great reports! Reports that you actually gain something from besides just a stack of papers written on, and the classes are deep and very intellectually stimulating! You will definitely need a good cup of coffee each morning! just kidding I hate coffee! You will not be overwhelmed with annoying busy work like writing out chumashim, but you will have enough to do that you will feel challenged, but will feel so rewarded and inspired at the end! Trust me! I don’t know how, but Ateres makes it really be great for everyone! They say straight out that their goal, and yes they really do this, they stretch your machshava and improve your skills immensely without getting you overwhelmed and overworked! I can guarantee you that such a thing will not be a problem in Ateres!
The dress code is just like most of the other seminaries, any type of button down like you can wear designs like stripes or anything and then you can wear solid colored sweaters either cardigans or pullovers or v-necks! It’s very flexible and then pleated skirts navy, grey, or black, short or long! you can wear belts, scarves, makeup, not much rules about that. You don’t have to get dressed up every day there is seriously no social pressure there, but there were plenty of girls who were more with it and really gave each day their all but only for themselves! No one cared! Chilled was fine too!
We had girls from all over! BY Monsey, BY Ramapo, BY Lkwd, Bais Sheindel, Bnos Bais Yaakov, BY Miami, BY Baltimore, Bnos Yisrael of Baltimore, BY Chicago, Hanna Sacks in Chicago, BY Denver, South Bend, Machon, I think they have Mesores girls this year, Dallas, Bruria, TAG, Ateres in Monsey, BY Detroit, Yaavne, Toronto, BYA, BY Johannesburg, France, BY in London, I think I’m missing a bunch I don’t know the NY schools that well… It’s very mixed, but the atmosphere is a very growthful one and although there are many girls on different levels they are able to somehow cater and reach out to everyone so that each girl is molded into the best girl she can be and get the most out of her year!
Every seminary I think has trips! We had a big trip at least once a month! We did it all! I really think almost all seminaries pretty much do the same stuff in that area except the half year seminaries where they do one a week to get it all in! It’s a wonderful part of the year and they make the trips beyond awesome the way they schedule it!
Hope this answered you somewhat!
September 6, 2012 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #907846
Candy613, I’m not sure why you assumed that I don’t know anything about Bnos Sarah. I went there.
September 6, 2012 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #907847
Ty Very much! The only thing you didn’t answer was about men teachers
September 6, 2012 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #907848
hey so im in 12th grade looking into machon raya… on this post a few people have said its pretty new yorkie while i always heard it was more out-of-town which i liked about it… does anyone know?
September 6, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #907849
YAY!! This is so exciting! THANK YOU CANDY613!!
musicaldignity, we might end up in the same sem!! 😀
potpie, I’m also interested in Bnos Sarah! If you can provide details about it, that would be great!! When did you go? And yeah, I did hear that its extremely academic, so what type of average do you think I would need??
OK, so we just had our first day of school, and guess what’s the topic of discussion? umm– SEMINARIES!! Its just so nerve-racking!
I’m from NY, and I absolutely hate the attitude here. I really can’t stand it (beyond anyone’s comprehension!) I never spend any of my free time here. Summers I always go to camp, and if not, SOMEWHERE OUTTA HERE! Out of town for sure! Out of state!
Ok, now that I got all that out of my system, Is Ateres still for me? 😉 lol! jk– I know you said its out of towny.
so, honestly, I never really tried very hard throughout HS. Not because I’m incapable of anything, chas v’sholom, I was just never in the mood to work. So my average is as follows: Several A’s, mostly B’s, few C’s. Maybe once or twice I even got a D, I don’t remember. but no one would see that if they don’t get my full HS transcript! (meaning in 11th grade I did better– no d’s lol) so do you think those type of grades are acceptable in their standards? And if not, do you think they would still be willing to work with me and believe me that this is not the best I could do and in sem I’ll put my best foot forward? (Especially since my school is known to be a very hard academic HS) Thank you so so much!! 😀
September 7, 2012 3:47 am at 3:47 am #907850
potpie I have no clue what you are talking about. I never said you didn’t know about bnos sarah, i just asked you not to say things about Ateres if you don’t know what you are talking about and also not to bash out any seminary.
Musicaldignity – sorry about that! So I totatlly agree with you about that! Yes! there were a lot of men teachers! If I could pick my top 5 teachers I loved in seminary i think 2 or 3 would be men! There were unbelievable men teachers. Number one is Rabbi Belsky who is the Dean and Mrs. Sokol is his daughter and is principal so he is beyond amazing then there are others who were just so great there is a big rav who is a major posek world known who teaches exclusively in Ateres and I think it was worth it for me to go just to see him! I would even feel comfortable calling him now. So the answer to your question is YES! there are many men teaching incredible classes who if you go you will gain so much from!!!
nanny – I could imagine how stressful that probably was for you! It’s hard, but Hashem helps you through it! I happen to think that you should not think too much about it till you have to start applying. You sound like you are doing more then enough. I could tell you are from NY the way you write and the way your school sounds! I know they are not as helpful with seminary in some of the NY schools, but I really hope you have a teacher or advisor who you can still go to! It’s really good to have a teacher or principal who could help you with the process. from these conversations we have been having you sound like you would love and do so well in Ateres! And about your average, just forget about it! Really don’t worry about it! I know I said it before if you are growing and are a good girl and are what they want they will tell you straight out that they do not discriminate against grades!!! Just don’t get too worried about everything and know you will get into the right place for you!
September 7, 2012 4:21 am at 4:21 am #907851
nanny that would be cool lol! Ive thought that Bnos Sara was more yeshivish but I dont know now. Somebody once told me that everyone there wanted to be true aishes chayils and although that is respectable its so not me. So can you describe exactly what type the girls are in bnos sara. Are they very wordly or more in a box.
Also nanny – where do you live because in brooklyn they dont give marks as a and b and c but number marks so thats so cool.
September 7, 2012 7:53 am at 7:53 am #907852
This is what I wrote:
I don’t think it’s a dream seminary-Bnos Sarah is everything you described and more.
This is what you wrote:
Thank you for your input not so sure if you can say such a thing without knowing that much about it… I did go so have the right to say that…I did go there so I know more about it and what they are looking for. It is nice to talk about other seminaries but there is no need to bash out others Thanks….
Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see any bashing of Ateres in my sentence. If you somehow misconstrued what I wrote, I apologize. Please explain your illogical leap.
September 7, 2012 7:55 am at 7:55 am #907853
On second thought, I’m thinking that you interpreted “I don’t think it’s a dream seminary” to refer to Ateres, when it in fact referred to musicaldignity’s description of what she wants in a seminary. Am I correct?
September 7, 2012 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #907854
Thanks candy sounds great. Do they also talk about emunah a lot. things like – why are we jewish, what we are supposed to do in this life, proofs that our religion is the truth – things like that…
Also were there teachers that you were counting the minutes? Also were the teachers very down to earth? I happen to come from a very yeshivish school that I totally dont belong in (long story how I ended up there) and one thing I cant stand is that all my teachers are like Rebbetzin types who dont understand the challenges of teenagers today or identify with it. Thanks a lot again!
September 9, 2012 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #907855
Potpie- I apologize, yes, that is what I thought so got defensive because I love my seminary. Thank you for solving that. Really appreciate it and sorry again.
Musicaldignity – VERY MUCH SO!!!! My school is not all yeshivish, but I did have a more yeshivish grade. It always bothered me that they were not as deep and were doing things because their parents were doing and not really knowing why. I knew I wanted a place that was maybe a bit more mixed, but where all the girls were growthful people and where there was an atmosphere of growth. This is actually what I talked about a lot during my interview. But I do feel that is exactly what it was. They made your yiddishkeit become your own! They helped you understand why you are doing the things you do and why you will want to do it and pass it down to your children later in the future.
Instead of focusing on how many 15 page reports you can do in 1 year, they worked on instilling in us the tools to help us become better and have a love for what we do. They def focus on emounah a lot and all of those things similar. I needed that and really feel I got all I could have ever asked for. I think you will find the same. The teachers were ALL down to earth. That is one thing that they make sure. Everything taught is down to earth and applicable for your life, and every teacher is down to earth as well. They truly understand every girl and teenagers in general. They are extremely open minded, have been involved with teenagers for years and years, and you feel so safe and good with them because you find they understand you and your life challenges so well!
September 9, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #907856
Candy613 I cant thank you enough for all your information. I emailed all your posts to my friend who is also looking into Ateres and she was very excited as well. Nanny maybe we will end up together and we’ll be like: “Hey! Were you the one on YeshivaWorld who was talking to candy613!! Oh my gosh HI!” lol that sounds really funny but who knows!
One last question Candy if your still there! You emphasized that they dont target the best student etc, however do they value smart at all? Baruch Hashem I am a very good students and get high 90s so I dont want to be in a place where they wont value that at all. Also I do want to be with high caliber girls. So are they girls there because they couldnt get into a more academic seminary or are there great students there as well who just didnt want the crazy overwhelming work thing. (Like me:) Because I dont want to be with a bunch of girls who all got 70s and 80s in school – I like smart people:) Thanks again for all your help. By the way – you mentioned that your doing college now – are you doing Touro?
September 9, 2012 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #907857
I understand your need to be learning with smart people whose minds work similarly to yours and who are on the same level learning wise. That is very normal. So although it is mixed like I said, there are 3 tracks for the textual subjects, and 2 tracks for the more hashkafa type of classes. The highest track was for girls like you! They were almost all brilliant! There were some girls who were so smart that I almost couldn’t talk to them about what we learned about in class. It was interesting. So I am more of an average student more like 80’s some 90’s but am a little bit more intelectual. I was in the middle class, which was the biggest my year, and I felt it was very good for me. The smart girls who were very smart were of course together in the highest track. I don’t think anybody in the entire seminary felt bad or not in the right place. They are able to cater to everyone so that everyone can feel like they are being challenged and that their minds are stretching. I had friends in the higher class, and I know they enjoyed it immensely because of that factor that they were only with smart girls on their level and as a class they were able to learn on a higher level and do more work on their level as a result. At different points there were girls who moved up and down in classes, but once everyone was put everyone was thrilled with where they were! So I don’t think that will be a problem for you at all! They are very into what you said, making sure that everyone is able to learn on a level for them and are with girls on their level learning as much as they can on the highest level possible with no other girls stopping them.
And no I am not in Touro, and not in the NY area B”H!!! (no offense to NY! 😉
September 10, 2012 1:41 am at 1:41 am #907858
A Pure Neshama Deep DownParticipant
So I’m coming on to the scene quite late, it would seem, but I just wanted to throw out there that a girl who went to Ateres my year also applied to BJJ and was accepted. I think in the end she chose Ateres for reasons similar to what yours would be, Musicaldignity, that she didn’t want to work away her entire seminary year.
I was in class one and it is very intellectually stimulating – I loved it! I did find it challenging at the time… and boy, do I miss it now! We had some great conversations, very deep, very interesting. Class one was definitely a great atmosphere for me.
I just want to say one thing though. Ateres is full of great girls. I’m also the type that likes having discussions with people I consider intelligent, but just because someone was put in class 3, it doesn’t make them of lesser intelligence. Some of the girls in class 3 were really close friends of mine and honestly, it’s very hard for me not to have deep, intellectual conversations! Class one basically means that you have a really good average and that your textual skills are very good, granted, every girl in the room was someone I would feel more than comfortable to sit down and have a conversation with! Just wanted to throw that out there…
Also, there are 2 classes given which are optional for all the classes but class 1. Class 1 has to be there – attendance is taken. Both of these classes are given by very brilliant rabbanim and all the girls in class 1, as well as all the others who went, LOVED the classes. I think there are around nine or ten rabbanim who teach at Ateres – a very nice ratio of men to women. Each of them is brilliant… I feel so lucky to be able to say that I sat through their classes.
Hatzlacha with your decisions!
Just know that no matter what, you will wind up where you were meant to go!
September 10, 2012 4:41 am at 4:41 am #907859
I went to Ateres!! think i was there the same time as candy! just wanna say that all the amazing things you are hearing are true!!!! ATERES IS INCREDIBLE!!!! any more questions anyone? i’d love to give some info (if candy didn’t give it all!!!!)
September 10, 2012 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #907860
is it hard to get into ateres?!?like do they accept girls who have failed to get in elsewhere like the year b4 but have since changed?! and its not the type that you have to know how to read mephorshim? which other sems are there like that? lmk asap!!!!!!!!!! more info on ateres and like?
September 10, 2012 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #907861
hey and also is ateres the type of sem that ther arent major rules and you can kinda do whatever you want?
September 10, 2012 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #907862
machon raaya is an amazing seminary , its not for a very yeshivish girl but it is for a Bais Yakov girl. The Principal is one of the best there can be, Nachlas also used to have an amazing Principal but she is not there anymore, i dont really know the new one.
September 10, 2012 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #907863
hodulashem- now you are getting me very curious! I guess you must know who I am. I’m sure I gave myself away a number of times already…
me@18- I’m gonna be direct and say it straight out that if you are going to seminary just wanting no rules and wanting to do whatever you want, then Ateres is NOT for you. Not a bad thing, it just isn’t the right fit. There are other places that would be better for you. If I am getting the wrong impression and that is not what you are trying to say then we can talk. 😉
September 11, 2012 1:25 am at 1:25 am #907864
Keep it going, guys!! This is great!
Its actually very funny, it started out as a Bnos Sara/ Machon Raaya thread and now look at it– an Ateres thread through and through!
I actually do live in Brooklyn, musicaldignity! I was saying A’s and B’s meaning 90’s, 80’s… I’m guessing you live in Brooklyn too! Would it be too revealing if we told each other what school we go to?? I’m getting curious!
oh– and I can’t wait to see you next year 😉
Candy613, you’re lucky you aren’t staying in NY! LOL!
September 11, 2012 2:23 am at 2:23 am #907866
musicaldignity i think youd really enjoy machon raaya over ateres. and dont worry about the work bec they have tonz of electives so you can choose alot of your classes so you can pick ones without alot of work.
me@18 you said that failed to get in the yr b4. are you looking for a shana aleph or a shana bet program? and how much of a bais yaakov would you want?
September 11, 2012 3:20 am at 3:20 am #907867
lol candy i actually haven’t been able to figure u out but here’s how u might be able to identify me: if we were in sem together, i always sang a silly song about chochosh chache and milch and choochies and chreative choochies and last year i hosted the chanuka party reunion in my house! if you can figure me out, send me an email! i’m sooooooooooooo curious!!! mods, i hope you don’t find these details too revealing to the world- only an Ateres girl could figure me out!
September 11, 2012 3:38 am at 3:38 am #907868
hmmm… hodulashem I feel like maybe we were not in seminary together….
September 11, 2012 3:58 am at 3:58 am #907869
ok hodulashem through my sources I have found out who you are but don’t know you! We were not in seminary together, and although I was super privaleged to meet 7 of your awesome seminary mates and I love them dearly…. But anyways that was cool that I thought I may know you 😉
Tell me though, how did I do describing Ateres?
September 11, 2012 3:58 am at 3:58 am #907870
Musical dignity, I also think Machon Raaya is a good choice for you- if you are academic. Its a real BY school, but not especially yeshivish. Lots of out town girls. There are four girls in every room- each girl from a different state/country. My daughter is there now. We did lots of research and it’s an awesome place. They just moved to a beautiful new building right in Geula. There are around 65 girls- not too big, not too small. She just left a week ago- but so far she’s thrilled:)
September 11, 2012 4:27 am at 4:27 am #907871
Ya musicaldignity agreed! I also love machon raaya! A bunch of girls applied to both Ateres and Machon Raaya! It’s a great place and has many similarities to Ateres as well as far as the warmth of the place and the staff! You should apply to more then one place so I say go for both and wherever you are supposed to end up, Hashem will put you there!
September 11, 2012 4:29 am at 4:29 am #907872
lol candy u did an awesome job!! VERY impressed!! u made me wanna go back!!!!!!!! should i do my own research now or will u have ur beloved source fill me in? lol! ur shanabetters were super!
September 11, 2012 4:45 am at 4:45 am #907873
Ya I am so happy I got to spend that half year with them! I’ll give you a hint…. Im in the same city as 2 of them but not near the east coast… I am in college with one of them every day and I feel so safe having such a special Ateres girl in almost all of my classes with me… I don’t think you know me, but you can try to figure me out anyways…. I happened to have asked the girl I am in school with about you! I have to ask her if she is in touch with you!
September 11, 2012 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #907874
hi….no im not the type looking for no rules….rather i heard that ateres is lax in rules and wanna know if that is true…..no didnt apply to israel yet ever only local sem which didnt get into but wld the principal really accept s1 that didnt get into an intown sem?!or is it not that type of sem? and how large is the sem?! im not sure how you define beis yaakovy? and im looking for more hashkofa and practical life stuff rather than text ie mephorshim etc…….. does all that make sense?
September 11, 2012 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #907875
did that last post just go through?not sure if it got lost on way so just in case….. sorry if i wasn’t clear before. no i’m not the type looking for no rules, i have heard that ateres though is lax with its rules, and i just wanted to make sure there are rules…. and no i never applied to israeli sem last year just an in town sem which i didnt get into. would the principal consider accepting s1 who hasn’t got the best track record but who would have changed within the year? (namely me!)
i’m not sure how ypu define beis yaakov? im looking for a sem that concentrates more on hashkofa and practical life stuff rather than text- ie mephorshim etc… does all that make sense? thanx!
September 11, 2012 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #907876
you applied to a sem last yr. that was instead of 12th grade or your already the age of shana bet?
and by bais yaakov i mean with the standard bais yaakov rules and tznius etc etc
September 11, 2012 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #907877
yup that was instead of 12th grade. yeah so i went to a beis yaakov so want one with bj rules but not over the top bj rules…tznius yeh not looking for any sem with the easy way out there either…….
September 12, 2012 4:15 am at 4:15 am #907878
So the last time I checked this post there were 80 posts and when I came back there were 97 and I was like: whoaahhh!!!!
Anyway, thanks all of you guys for your advice. I feel so much more at ease now since Im pretty sure that Im going to apply to Meohr, Ateres, and Machon Raya and then we’ll see from there! Machon Raya also sounds amazing although Im a little nervous about the work and the personality of the girls and then Ateres Im worried about the opposite: the caliber of the girls and the intellectual challenge. So we will see what happens. But it definitely helps to have all you online mentors – keep the advice coming! Also if there are any other seminaries I should know about – let me know! See my previous post for a detailed description of what I am looking for.
Nanny it would be awesome to cya next year – IYH we’ll see.
By the way just technically – when do girls start applying, when are interviews, and when do the acceptance letters get sent out? I am so anxious to finish high school that sitting through class is almost unbearable and its only the third day!!! Hopefully Ill survive somehow. Im thinking maybe I should clep this year since my school offers no college courses and there are a lot of useless subjects in English. (Dont get me started)
September 12, 2012 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #907879
Applications – Schools give them out the end of November and they are due mid December.
Interviews are ussually end December – January
Acceptance letters get sent out the end of February
September 12, 2012 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #907880
me@18 what type of school do you wasnt academically? more hashkafik or more textual? like pninim would fit but so could meohr depending on which way you wanna go.
musicaldignity you apply in nov. i think maybe december and then the school sets up an interview and replies come in feb. the date use to be feb15th but i think they may have switched it to the 25th. and about clepping idk what college you plan on going to or what youre majoring in but its worth it to look into it b4 you clep bec some colleges wont accept more that a certain amount of cleps and if its a part of your major its worthless and you dont wanna waste time and money.
September 12, 2012 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #907881
i want more hashkafik than textual….meohr sounds like its hard to get into?
September 12, 2012 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #907882
so then pninim seems like a good choice. meohr is anybodys guess as to who is going to get in. you can try. its more hashkafik than most bais yaakovs but it does have a nice amount of text.
September 12, 2012 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #907883
ok…..so you know what pninim is actually like? girls? how big is the sem?
September 12, 2012 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #907884
so thyre very hashkafic. they have a very very warm and caring staff. every girl ive ever met who went there (and ive met alot) loved it to pieces. its about 90 girls i think but im not sure so double check that. they go on alot of tyulim and are suppose to have really good food. theyre located in near beit hadfus and kanfei which is a really good location. idk what else you wanna know. the best way to get info is to see if you can speak to anyone who was there in the past couple of yrs.
September 12, 2012 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #907885
hmm where i come from noone goes there!!! okay….thanks! and if anyone knows some more bout pninim lmk!! and also ateres……thanx
September 12, 2012 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #907886
I don’t know if there’s any more to say about Ateres than Candy has already posted 🙂
September 12, 2012 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #907887
me@18, its interesting that you are thinking of applying to Pninim and Ateres! I’ve heard that they are opposites.
Musicaldignity, you’re applying to Mehor? Thats cute- its a really good seminary… I don’t think its so academic like you sound like you wanted though…
September 13, 2012 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #907888
oh i didnt know they are opposites….in wat way?! i dont know much about either sem so..
September 14, 2012 2:30 am at 2:30 am #907889
I think Pninim is more left and Ateres is more right. and Pninim has less work I think. But I’m not sure about that part……
September 14, 2012 4:11 am at 4:11 am #907890
theyre both on the bais yaakov spectrum. but yes pninim girls are more to the left while ateres girls are more to the right. ateres does have more work. pninim is very hashkafa oriented and the growth in the girls is tremendous and seen inside out.
September 14, 2012 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #907891
hmm hope this doesnt sound maaaaad but wat if i dont know if im ‘right’ or ‘left’………..?!?!??!?!
September 14, 2012 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #907892
i went to ateres with candy and everything she said is so true and couldn’t be written better.
i’m from “in-town”, but was the one who was always the “out-of towner”, and i loved ateres. i think everyone can go to ateres and love it, not only go and ‘fit in’ but actually love it and feel like the school is tailor made for them, that’s one of the things that’s so special about ateres. our year we had girls that applied to all ranges of sems and yet they all ended up in ateres and loved it….i might not get every thing exact but if i’m remembering correctly which i think i am…girls applied to tiferes, bya, nachlas, chochmas lev, michlala, bnos sara, machon raaya, seminar, darchei bina, meohr….i think we had girls that applied to every BY sem out there and yet although everyone was different it didn’t matter we looked past that and we were all there for the same goal we were united together, looked past our differences and all strived to grow as high as we could…
September 19, 2012 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #907893
Thanks for the advice everyone. I really do need more info about Machon Raya. In actuality how hard is it and also if the girls there have a lot of personality and love having fun or are they just a bunch of bookworms. One of the reasons Im afraid to go to an Academic seminary is that I dont want a bunch of serious girls with no personality.
Also, I thought of a question that nobody answered about Ateres! My friend went to BJJ and she told me that Chumash was basically just Chumash and Rashi just Chumash and Rashi in her own words ‘like you never learnt it before’. Thats really not up my ally and not my style. I enjoy textual based subjects and would rather learn tons of meforshim inside then just learn rashi and have the teacher qoute a bunch of medrashim outside and mention a bunch of chazals to right down. I feel when you learn kli yakars, rambans, sefornos…ya know the works…you feel much more like your learning yourself as opposed to just being lectured to. So I know that Machon Raya is very into the girls learning on their own etc but I dont know about Ateres. So candy – one more time:)
September 20, 2012 1:51 am at 1:51 am #907894
About Machon Raaya, the girls are a great mix. My daughter is definitely full of personality and so are her friends there. When speaking to her it sounds like they’re in camp;). Definitely nothing to worry about in that department !
September 20, 2012 3:10 am at 3:10 am #907895
oh yeah… thats also a question I have… is Ateres very textual? I actually don’t want a very textual place!! I prefer hashgafa.
Plus: anyone know anything about Nachlas/Seminar?
September 20, 2012 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #907896
if anyone was worried, bymrers definitely have personality! anything else anyone wants to know, feel free to ask!
September 21, 2012 12:00 am at 12:00 am #907897
Penguin, how textual is Ateres?
September 21, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am #907898
ok bymrer = can you explain exactly how hard it is. Meaning – is it the type of stuff that if I want to get good marks I wont be able to relax on Shabbos because I need to study. Definitely not interested in that. Also – do you have men teachers and ones with like boundless knowledge:) Let me know. Thanks a ton!
September 21, 2012 7:10 am at 7:10 am #907899
nope, def not! you do not need to study on shabbos to get good marks!though, you might wanna study for parsha then, but you don’t have to. yah, several men teachers, and you can ask them pretty much anything! i really enjoyed their classes, and asked them random questions on various topics…
September 21, 2012 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #907900
Nanny, Ateres is as textual as u are capable of working through… remember there are 3 tracks… the highest level has classes that are extremely text based… the middle one not as much, and the third one even less! if you are a student that has an easy time with learning from text, they won’t put you in the third track just cuz you want to take it easy… they put each girl in the track that fits her best… and a good fit is one that challenges the student enough to help her feel stimulated and stretch her mind but not too much that she can’t keep up… and if you are placed in a track that u don’t feel is right for you, they are so willing to help u out till it all feels just right! tutoring and modifications are readily available to all
September 23, 2012 2:39 am at 2:39 am #907901
oh, and do all classes have same tests and stuff?
September 23, 2012 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #907902
Hi sorry I haven’t been on in a while. Have been very busy! I just wanted to tell you again how it goes in ateres for chumash and navi in ateres even though it was kinda mentioned, just because I found it so incredible and helpful. For both classes, there is a certain amount of preperation you need to complete before class. The higher track obviously having more, lower track not as much… There are Prep periods within the schedule with prep tutors there to help you. So twice a week you have groups 1 tutor (more like a newly married girl who went to BJJ) to about 4 or 5 girls. The higher track I think kinda preps on their own but have tutors around just in case. you can do it in groups or by yourself, but what I think is amazing is that it is during class time not for homework! It was actually one of my favorite classes! You do more textual and technical stuff with your tutor making sure to cover the material that is assigned, and it really is enjoyable. You come to Navi and Chumash class having covered the more textual stuff and then based off that the teacher will teach with the knowledge that you went through it so that way instead of spending time going through each rashi and meforash she can teach on a deeper level with hashkafa. This is not a text free class though! By doing this they really bridge your enjoyment of hashkafa with bringing up your textual skills higher then you ever thought they would ever be! It’s a really great system that works wonders, and I know Seminar does the same for navi because we had the same Navi teacher. So sorry if that was repetitive, I just really like and enjoyed that part of the academics in seminary so just felt I had to tell you. About tests…. The lower track has tests in english and are always responsible for less so ya, their tests will differ from the other tracks. There were classes where the middle and higher had the same tests, or had the same but the middle had more frees. And there were also some where each test was different completely. For Navi especially because their tests were always on more perukim. As I think about seminary, I really do not think you should worry in any way about being challenged enough. Trust me you will find that just because a place is more hashkafa doesn’t mean there is no hard work. And just letting you know that as much as people say they want a non a academic seminary, there really is no such thing! Each seminary is gonna have work! Prep, reports, tests (at the very least finals and midterms which is hard also) and Most seminaries are very into parsha so you may have a test or quiz every week and have to look a lot up! It’s tough but very fulfilling in a very different way then high school. You will find yourself enjoying the studying and the prep, something I never thought would happen to me, but it’s great! So just letting you know but not to get you overwhelmed, cuz its not so bad. I hope somewhere in this very long post I maybe answered your question!
September 23, 2012 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #907903
Candy613 from the way you are describing the tracks it sounds like the first track has more work, harder tests, less time to prep in class etc but do they learn on a higher level? Thats what I really want – not just more work. My friend who switched from my school to another went to my principal and told her that she didnt feel challenged so my principal told her that they would give her extra work. Thats not what she wanted! So what is really going on in that top class?
It also sounds like most of the textual parts and skills you gain are on your own – is that true? In class its mostly airy fairy stuff and conversations? I like the debates and discussions but I really enjoy the great meforshim and deep gemara type stuff. Thats why Im thinking Machon Raya might be more for me. I want the substance – I believe thats what Im inspired by more then the rest. Also the top class doesnt have class time for prep? Because that also sounds like just giving them more work as opposed to learning on a higher level. I wish I could talk to you in person – its very hard to get to the bottom on here. Thanks a ton!
September 24, 2012 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #907904
I’m so sorry… I feel like I keep confusing people about what Ateres really is with my posts! Yes the work is harder, but the classes are definately on a higher level as well. They are more intelectual and stimulating for sure! The classes have text as well Not just airy conversations. The class DOES have prep time just as the other two tracks, but they are not being taught the material. They do it more with other girls and have tutors around if the need does arise.
I understand what you are saying about needing substance. Ateres has both textual and hashkafa so that substance definately exists. I am not saying Machon Raya is not better for you. I don’t know you and it very well could be that it is the place for you! I am not here to sell Ateres! For the people that it is the place for, I encourage them and hope they will have the privalege to go. So it really is overall a higher level class in all areas not just more work. But you know you gotta apply to 3 places, and many of my friends applied to machon raya also. Apply to both and 1 more and let Hashem do the rest! That is really all you can do. If you do get into both you will worry about it then. You do not need to get yourself worked up about seminary until November I say don’t think about it now, and work to enjoy 12th grade while you have it!!!
September 24, 2012 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #907905
love eretz yisroelMember
i went to seminar last year. nanny, wat u describe as wat type of seminary u want seminar fits it to the “T”. it’s out-of-townie, not a lot of work, & growth oriented. the girls tht go there r good solid girls. there’s a mix of girls. 7 the girls r not jappy at all. i really recommend seminar!
also kesser chaya just opened this year. i heard they were trying to get the type of girls tht go to seminar. but they were going to make it more hashkafik based.
September 25, 2012 1:46 am at 1:46 am #907906
Before I thought that musicaldignity and I want competently different things… now I realize that that’s not the case! My favorite class in HS is definitely the one one that keeps me thinking… as you would call it, intellectually stimulating. I really need that– I hate sitting around bored in class, waiting for it to end! My impression of Ateres is that it’s not like that.
The difference, I think, (correct me if I’m wrong, Musicaldignity) is workwise– I wouldn’t be able to sit down and do HW each night, and I want a chance to chill a bit after all I’ve been through in HS! 🙂 Do you have HW each and every night? and a ton of reports? It happens to be that I don’t mind tests as much as I mind actual, sitting-down type of work.
September 27, 2012 2:12 am at 2:12 am #907907
love eretz yisroel, Can you tell me more about Seminar? Where are the girls coming from? Is it very textual? And it it true they have lots of party girls? 🙂
And do you (or anyone else) know anything about what type of crowd Kesser Chaya ended up getting?
September 27, 2012 2:39 am at 2:39 am #907908
love eretz yisroelMember
the girls r really from all over! it’s really nice! they r all warm, caring girls & non- judgemental. it’s not very textual, some of it is textual but not too much. i think it’s a good mix.there is some hw, but definitely enough time to party, or to do watever u want.the teachers r also very warm & caring. they r open minded, u will feel comfortable to ask them anything, & they will answer u to the best of their ability or direct u to someone else if not. there r a lot of party girls, & there r also the girls tht will do their work first. like i said there’s a big mix so u’ll find both.
not sure the type of crowd they got. just know wat they were looking for cuz 1 of my rabbeim is helping to open it.
September 30, 2012 4:16 am at 4:16 am #907909
Is it the type that some girls would play non-Jewish music in their rooms?
September 30, 2012 9:14 am at 9:14 am #907910
nanny- unfortunately, most girls these days listen to non jewish music. in most BY seminaries, you wont hear the music out loud though. and by the way you described yeshivish with never showing the knees… sorry but its not going to be that way. unfortunately, a majority of the girls have a hard time with that.
and nanny- sorry but meohr is academic with a lot of work and a lottttttttttt of class. but the hashkafa balances it out. it is hard to get into but you will get in if you are right for it.
good luck wherever you end up!!
October 3, 2012 4:40 am at 4:40 am #907911
i am a regular girl in a regular bais yaakov school and idk wat seminary to go to plz help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…………mayb you can give me a rundown of what each seminaary is like! thanx!
October 7, 2012 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #907912
theobvious… I know there are some sems that most girls don’t listen… I mean, I don’t want to be the frummest girls in sem, in a sense I would rather be the most modern. Like im sure most girls in BJJ don’t right?
October 25, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #907913
it sounds like you are looking for a sem like seminar/ateres.
October 25, 2012 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #907914
nanny like we said before ateres is def a place you should apply to, maybe seminar or machon raya could be a second, but machon raya might be more academic then what you are looking for, but I know this may be surprising but i think you should look more into tiferes as a third place to apply! I do think ateres would be great for you!!!!!
October 26, 2012 1:26 am at 1:26 am #907915
Tiferes? Really? I don’t really want that yeshivish… I would rather a place that’s frum like BJJ. Just not that academic… and I don’t know if that’s possible! I’m pretty sure I WILL end up applying to Ateres, thanks, candy. I’m going to have to meet with my principle soon to discuss all this stuff, so I’ll see what they think.
Do you know anything about Binas?
October 26, 2012 2:36 am at 2:36 am #907916
PS- Randomly this week 3 people came up to me and told me I should go to Seminar! Is that weird? And I asked people about Ateres and everyone agreed it’s a really good place, but they didn’t know much about it because it’s a newer place I think.
I’ve also been told to look into Binas and Nachlas. Anybody on the CR went there? 😉
October 26, 2012 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #907917
I just found this post, and my granddaughter is going to EY next year, IY”H. She is thinking of Darchei Bina (I think that’s what it’s called). Does anyone know anything about that one? How academic, how hashkafadik, what kind of girls, staff, etc. Any information would be so greatly appreciated!
October 28, 2012 5:03 am at 5:03 am #907918
Lots of girls from my school go to Darchei Bina! It’s supposed to be a great place. I hear lots of great stuff about it. How academic and BY does your granddaughter want?
October 28, 2012 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #907919
She’s a smart girl, but I don’t think she wants to kill herself with schoolwork. She doesn’t want to be bored, but not a ton of work. She’s a good girl, goes to a regular BY high school, but doesn’t exactly fit the BY mold, if you know what I mean. She needs a bais yaakov, but not a frummy place. She needs good teachers/mentors that she can talk to and relate to. I think she needs/wants good hashkafa classes. Does that give you somewhat of an idea?
October 28, 2012 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #907920
Hi so I see Nanny has started the ongoing conversation, My principal gave me the option of maybe Ateres, but I am in 12th grade so I have to decide very soon! I am looking for a seminary that really stresses the value of torah and mitzvot and halchot because i regard it highly, but aren’t so narrow, they teach the whole picture, they stress the halachot but like they don’t force you. I want to leave feeling like I love Hashem not overwhelmed and irritated after hearing about tzniut, etc. I’m interested in Bais Yaakov, I asked about darchei binah, but I know a close friend who didn’t havethe best experience. To candy..the one who went to ateres, help me out haha, is ateres warm? do they stress midot tovot, do they let you ask questions till you completely understand it because my friend scared me that some schools can call you apikores. I know everyone is on their own tznius level, theirs obviously a dress code, but do they recognize everyone is on their own level and if something is un- tznius they say it nicely. and also would you do me the great chesed of telling me what classes you had besides chumash and navi like others for an example- eshes chayil, tehilim, koheles, mishlei, I learned those in highschool, anything like that? I looked online and I saw bnos chana, halichos, but my school is unfamiliar about that one, although the classes seemed nice, its alittle risky to go somewhere my teachers never heard of, but some alumnis from my school went to ateres…
October 29, 2012 12:04 am at 12:04 am #907921
and also about the girls, they just want to have to grow, are most of the girls there because they want to get closer to Hashem or because they were forced, as long as they wanna be better people, and they have this thirst for torah, then I’m fine.
October 29, 2012 12:58 am at 12:58 am #907922
ahavas_yisroel, sounds like Darchei Binah might be just what she is looking for! Maybe also check out Meohr and Bnos Chava. She should talk to a seminary adviser in school (if her school provides).
helpmeoutplease- ever considered Meohr? Sounds like the girls there would suit what you are looking for. I’m surprised you know someone who had a bad experience in Darchei Binah- it’s supposed to be really good.
October 29, 2012 1:11 am at 1:11 am #907923
well I had a friend that went to maor – My principal said she wasn’t crazy about it. I think I’ll look into ateres, ill wait to see if candy613 answers if im not mistaken she knows more about it. But good luck to you!
October 29, 2012 1:45 am at 1:45 am #907924
Hi! So happy to have seen ateres up again! So to helpmeoutplease- i think it would be very helpful for you to go back and read the past posts of this thread! I am sure many if not all of your questions about ateres will be answered! But to give you a quick answer, yes! ateres is known to be one of the warmest places! They encourage you to ask any questions you can possibly have! They are so patient with each and every girl and every question that you come out feeling satisfied, feeling like your head is screwed on straight, and not only knowing why you do what you do without having things feel like annoying restrictions, but you come to feel like it is your own and understand why you want to incorporate these special things into your life now and into those generations to come!!!
Ateres may not be what you are looking for. I cannot say since I do not know you. I do not “sell” the seminary i went to. I believe it is great for those that it caters to! So please do yourself a favor and read the 3 pages of posts and you will get a feeling of what Ateres is so that you will see for yourself if it is a place you should apply to! I wish you much hatzlacha and may you get into the right place for you where you will gain and grow higher!!!!
October 29, 2012 3:09 am at 3:09 am #907925
candy, can I ask you a weird question?
You think I should apply to Tiferes really really?
+, I think I know you…
October 29, 2012 3:11 am at 3:11 am #907926
Hey again guys. Candy – just wondering what Rabbi Belsky is like. I dont know anything about him. Whats his derech when it comes to his girls?
October 29, 2012 3:44 am at 3:44 am #907927
WOW! we are getting quite intense here!
Ok…. So nanny- You think you know me??? from where? that is cool! How would you have figured me out?
I just got vibes from what you wrote that tiferes may be an option! its a really great place! very homey like ateres we shared some teachers as well which would mean there is quite a bit of hashkafa… It was a little more yeshivish but that isn’t always a bad thing…. I’ll tell you, it might just be good to apply if you only have two other places at least look into it, idk just got vibes! I really do see you in Ateres though from your posts! I think you should think into it and maybe talk to a tiferes alumnus!
Musicaldignity- so that is a very hard question to answer! I am not sure what you are asking by that. I happened to have loved everything about Rabbi Belsky and became extremely close to him in seminary more then any other teacher!!! He wants his girls to always be learning growing and succeeding in the torah derech. You really have to meet him to get who he is, it is hard for me to talk about him in writing to someone who doesn’t know him! I will tell you, I am very opinionated, blunt, and it takes a lot to impress me, but He really did it! He helped me with many different things throughout the year, and I really think he is probably THE MOST INCREDIBLE PERSON I HAVE EVER MET! And I have met a lot of great ppl so that is saying a lot! I will tell you, there are not many people who do not like him. At the interview he is great! Everyone walks out of their interview pretty much raving about him and ateres! He is an extremely unique person! I think he is the most special seminary principal because he does what is right no matter what and holds what is right even if it is the minority which is something that has been very important to me always…. I don’t have the words to truly describe him! He was def. my favorite! If you have any specific questions about him, feel free!!!
October 29, 2012 5:01 am at 5:01 am #907928
Well, I might be very wrong, but did you attend either the 9th or 10th High School that you have mentioned in an earlier post? (page 2)
Also what was your Ateres interview like?
October 29, 2012 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #907929
okay thanks candy, wow what a chesed you are doing for everyone. I’ve been reading the past threads, and it helped me quite a lot.1. But would you be able to tell me more about the classes, I know there are three levels but what exactly are the classes? And I am looking for serious girls as well, but not necessarily girls that were forced to be there and instead rebelled but love what they do and love Hashem and the halachot they keep. 2. When you left there did you feel like you left having a strong connection with Hashem through your tzniut, etc? or like you just did it…and don’t know why? 3. And how are the girls, everyones really on their own level even if they are coming from a BY school or even not, is everyone accepting even if they are not on theirs? or necessarily if they don’t come from the cookie cutter background?
October 29, 2012 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #907930
this is an absolutely amazing thread. Candy, you are SO helpful and full of knowledge about the different seminaries. I;’m going to have my granddaughter read this whole thread, and we’ll be back if she has any further questions. THANK YOU!
October 29, 2012 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #907931
I agree- three cheers for CANDY!
October 29, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #907932
I have to say, it is really my pleasure to talk about a place I loved so much! It’s so not a problem. I wish I could have found out more about it before I went, but unfortunately that did not really happen and I had to wait until I get there to truly see how incredible the seminary really is, and really get into it.
Nanny- I wasn’t sure what you were talking about, but then went back and checked, and yes I did happen to go to one of those places! So now I am very curious how you know me because I have been racking my brain trying to think who your age I know from the east coast, and I really couldn’t think of anyone!!! So you gotta spill the beans or at least tell me where you know me from!
To answer the other questions, I have posted a lot about that in past threads, but just again, the girls are from all over from all different backgrounds! We had girls who dressed strictly in black and white and girls who wore tunz of color, and the differences went way beyond that. You can def. say that we were on different levels. We were all such good friends though somehow! So to answer your question, YES! The girls were more then just accepting of everyone else no matter the level, but I feel like we all just loved everyone else because Ateres really brought out the depth of every girl and it was just so clear how special every girl was!
The classes were beyond amazing like I said before… We had many different classes! Way more then I was used to from high school! They were all stimulating, intellectual, and very much pertaining to life! They helped us love what we were doing and make yiddishkeit our own! We came out not “brainwashed,” but with everything put into the right perspective helping us go on and continue to try our best in all areas all while continuing to understand that it is truly a privilege! Yes, maybe some girls changed the way they dressed, maybe some didn’t, but I think I can safely say that everyone came out with their insides and beliefs strengthened and put into the correct perspective. And again they are very open and encourage you to ask any questions you may have and are patient with everyone and will talk to you one on one to answer any questions as well! They are always open for their girls! I did write about the classes in other threads, but if you have specific questions about the classes let me know!
October 30, 2012 2:07 am at 2:07 am #907934
OK, not sure if my past post went thru… Candy613, do you know these 2 girls who where head counselors in a day camp in your area? (your age)
October 30, 2012 2:41 am at 2:41 am #907935
November 8, 2012 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #907936
hi…… about ateres…. how does the application process work? do you need to have reference from high school? ( i missed out 12th grade and am working this year so wouldnt be able to get a reference….) would it be the type for rabbi belsky to overlook that?
and does anyone kow anything about halichos- bnos chana sem?!?!??!???????????? lmk!!!!!!!! thanx a ton
November 11, 2012 12:48 am at 12:48 am #907937
Further back in this topic, someone discusses Bnos Chana. Check that out.
November 11, 2012 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #907938
I think like all seminary applications you would need two reference letters. I know schools usually help with that. me@18 I think you should talk to one of the principals directly and explain your situation to them and then ask them what to do from there. I’m sure you are a wonderful person if you’re looking into Ateres and I understand that even if you’re not in school now that does not ness. reflect bad on you as a person. I think the staff of Ateres would def understand you would just have to be in touch with them directly before you apply.
November 11, 2012 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #907939
Hey! Good to be back. I actually went to Ateres’s open house last week to get a feel. The girls look unbelievably nice and open and it looks like they have a great balance between hashkafa and text. I loved Mrs. Sokol if thats her name:) I thought of candy while I was sitting there it was quite funny. The thing Im drawing back on is that Im not sure if the girls are my type. They seemed incredibly nice as I said but I wasnt finding the intensity/personality that I am used to. Its probably because the majority of girls were out of town. Im not saying this is bad its just not me. They all seemed extremely good hearted and always wanting to do the right thing which is nice.
I actually went to Machon Rayas open house as well and was extremely impressed. The girls, type of learning etc all seemed perfect and Im really excited! IYH if I get in I do plan on going there as of now but we’ll see if anything changes. I just really want an alternative place that I want to go to but I cant think of one. So now Im think Bnos Chava – Anybody know anything about it? Some people told me that theyre very jappy and not necessarily mature so I dont know what to think. IYH itll work out.
November 11, 2012 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #907940
I am looking into sems which are more chilled but still very beis yaakovish. like ateres. can u tell me more about it please!
thanx a mill!!
November 12, 2012 5:03 am at 5:03 am #907941
There’s not much more to be said 🙂 candy613 so graciously helped us out so much! So I would recommend you read through these 4 pages and then ask if you have any more specific questions. This thread is FULL of info on Ateres! Check it out!
November 12, 2012 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #907942
hmm so candy you are saying that the principal in ateres are more open minded and more willing to accept out of the box or even to consider it?!?!
November 13, 2012 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #907943
me@18 yes! that is def. what I’m saying!!! Good Luck and btw for anyone who is wondering I think they are having or maybe just had? more open houses maybe i think in monsey
November 14, 2012 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #907944
so i jus got the app form for ateres but the way that rating sheet for the reference goes doesnt look like itl be easy…. does it really have to be a school person as the reference?! as in ppl out of school know the real me but not my academics……………….??????
November 16, 2012 2:06 am at 2:06 am #907948
ya that will be tough… it probably needs some input from a teacher or principal maybe both! Do you have a teacher who understands your situation who can fill it out for you even though you were not in school this past year? That’s also why I said I really think you should actually call the principals and talk to them personally and explain your situation then asking them what they should do! Or maybe one of your parents should call… def talk to them!
November 19, 2012 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #907949
but calling them wont ness help…as in il still need a reference
November 19, 2012 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #907950
I would call them and ask them what they think you should do… Idk I think they would be of help to talk to before you apply you don’t have to though…
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