September 12, 2012 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #907881
i want more hashkafik than textual….meohr sounds like its hard to get into?September 12, 2012 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #907882
so then pninim seems like a good choice. meohr is anybodys guess as to who is going to get in. you can try. its more hashkafik than most bais yaakovs but it does have a nice amount of text.September 12, 2012 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #907883
ok…..so you know what pninim is actually like? girls? how big is the sem?September 12, 2012 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #907884
so thyre very hashkafic. they have a very very warm and caring staff. every girl ive ever met who went there (and ive met alot) loved it to pieces. its about 90 girls i think but im not sure so double check that. they go on alot of tyulim and are suppose to have really good food. theyre located in near beit hadfus and kanfei which is a really good location. idk what else you wanna know. the best way to get info is to see if you can speak to anyone who was there in the past couple of yrs.September 12, 2012 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #907885
hmm where i come from noone goes there!!! okay….thanks! and if anyone knows some more bout pninim lmk!! and also ateres……thanxSeptember 12, 2012 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #907886🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I don’t know if there’s any more to say about Ateres than Candy has already posted 🙂September 12, 2012 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #907887
[email protected], its interesting that you are thinking of applying to Pninim and Ateres! I’ve heard that they are opposites.
Musicaldignity, you’re applying to Mehor? Thats cute- its a really good seminary… I don’t think its so academic like you sound like you wanted though…September 13, 2012 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #907888
oh i didnt know they are opposites….in wat way?! i dont know much about either sem so..September 14, 2012 2:30 am at 2:30 am #907889
I think Pninim is more left and Ateres is more right. and Pninim has less work I think. But I’m not sure about that part……September 14, 2012 4:11 am at 4:11 am #907890
theyre both on the bais yaakov spectrum. but yes pninim girls are more to the left while ateres girls are more to the right. ateres does have more work. pninim is very hashkafa oriented and the growth in the girls is tremendous and seen inside out.September 14, 2012 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #907891
hmm hope this doesnt sound maaaaad but wat if i dont know if im ‘right’ or ‘left’………..?!?!??!?!September 14, 2012 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #907892penguinMember
i went to ateres with candy and everything she said is so true and couldn’t be written better.
i’m from “in-town”, but was the one who was always the “out-of towner”, and i loved ateres. i think everyone can go to ateres and love it, not only go and ‘fit in’ but actually love it and feel like the school is tailor made for them, that’s one of the things that’s so special about ateres. our year we had girls that applied to all ranges of sems and yet they all ended up in ateres and loved it….i might not get every thing exact but if i’m remembering correctly which i think i am…girls applied to tiferes, bya, nachlas, chochmas lev, michlala, bnos sara, machon raaya, seminar, darchei bina, meohr….i think we had girls that applied to every BY sem out there and yet although everyone was different it didn’t matter we looked past that and we were all there for the same goal we were united together, looked past our differences and all strived to grow as high as we could…September 19, 2012 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #907893
Thanks for the advice everyone. I really do need more info about Machon Raya. In actuality how hard is it and also if the girls there have a lot of personality and love having fun or are they just a bunch of bookworms. One of the reasons Im afraid to go to an Academic seminary is that I dont want a bunch of serious girls with no personality.
Also, I thought of a question that nobody answered about Ateres! My friend went to BJJ and she told me that Chumash was basically just Chumash and Rashi just Chumash and Rashi in her own words ‘like you never learnt it before’. Thats really not up my ally and not my style. I enjoy textual based subjects and would rather learn tons of meforshim inside then just learn rashi and have the teacher qoute a bunch of medrashim outside and mention a bunch of chazals to right down. I feel when you learn kli yakars, rambans, sefornos…ya know the works…you feel much more like your learning yourself as opposed to just being lectured to. So I know that Machon Raya is very into the girls learning on their own etc but I dont know about Ateres. So candy – one more time:)September 20, 2012 1:51 am at 1:51 am #907894ontheballMember
About Machon Raaya, the girls are a great mix. My daughter is definitely full of personality and so are her friends there. When speaking to her it sounds like they’re in camp;). Definitely nothing to worry about in that department !September 20, 2012 3:10 am at 3:10 am #907895
oh yeah… thats also a question I have… is Ateres very textual? I actually don’t want a very textual place!! I prefer hashgafa.
Plus: anyone know anything about Nachlas/Seminar?September 20, 2012 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #907896bymrerMember
if anyone was worried, bymrers definitely have personality! anything else anyone wants to know, feel free to ask!September 21, 2012 12:00 am at 12:00 am #907897
Penguin, how textual is Ateres?September 21, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am #907898
ok bymrer = can you explain exactly how hard it is. Meaning – is it the type of stuff that if I want to get good marks I wont be able to relax on Shabbos because I need to study. Definitely not interested in that. Also – do you have men teachers and ones with like boundless knowledge:) Let me know. Thanks a ton!September 21, 2012 7:10 am at 7:10 am #907899bymrerMember
nope, def not! you do not need to study on shabbos to get good marks!though, you might wanna study for parsha then, but you don’t have to. yah, several men teachers, and you can ask them pretty much anything! i really enjoyed their classes, and asked them random questions on various topics…September 21, 2012 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #907900hodulashemParticipant
Nanny, Ateres is as textual as u are capable of working through… remember there are 3 tracks… the highest level has classes that are extremely text based… the middle one not as much, and the third one even less! if you are a student that has an easy time with learning from text, they won’t put you in the third track just cuz you want to take it easy… they put each girl in the track that fits her best… and a good fit is one that challenges the student enough to help her feel stimulated and stretch her mind but not too much that she can’t keep up… and if you are placed in a track that u don’t feel is right for you, they are so willing to help u out till it all feels just right! tutoring and modifications are readily available to allSeptember 23, 2012 2:39 am at 2:39 am #907901
oh, and do all classes have same tests and stuff?September 23, 2012 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #907902
Hi sorry I haven’t been on in a while. Have been very busy! I just wanted to tell you again how it goes in ateres for chumash and navi in ateres even though it was kinda mentioned, just because I found it so incredible and helpful. For both classes, there is a certain amount of preperation you need to complete before class. The higher track obviously having more, lower track not as much… There are Prep periods within the schedule with prep tutors there to help you. So twice a week you have groups 1 tutor (more like a newly married girl who went to BJJ) to about 4 or 5 girls. The higher track I think kinda preps on their own but have tutors around just in case. you can do it in groups or by yourself, but what I think is amazing is that it is during class time not for homework! It was actually one of my favorite classes! You do more textual and technical stuff with your tutor making sure to cover the material that is assigned, and it really is enjoyable. You come to Navi and Chumash class having covered the more textual stuff and then based off that the teacher will teach with the knowledge that you went through it so that way instead of spending time going through each rashi and meforash she can teach on a deeper level with hashkafa. This is not a text free class though! By doing this they really bridge your enjoyment of hashkafa with bringing up your textual skills higher then you ever thought they would ever be! It’s a really great system that works wonders, and I know Seminar does the same for navi because we had the same Navi teacher. So sorry if that was repetitive, I just really like and enjoyed that part of the academics in seminary so just felt I had to tell you. About tests…. The lower track has tests in english and are always responsible for less so ya, their tests will differ from the other tracks. There were classes where the middle and higher had the same tests, or had the same but the middle had more frees. And there were also some where each test was different completely. For Navi especially because their tests were always on more perukim. As I think about seminary, I really do not think you should worry in any way about being challenged enough. Trust me you will find that just because a place is more hashkafa doesn’t mean there is no hard work. And just letting you know that as much as people say they want a non a academic seminary, there really is no such thing! Each seminary is gonna have work! Prep, reports, tests (at the very least finals and midterms which is hard also) and Most seminaries are very into parsha so you may have a test or quiz every week and have to look a lot up! It’s tough but very fulfilling in a very different way then high school. You will find yourself enjoying the studying and the prep, something I never thought would happen to me, but it’s great! So just letting you know but not to get you overwhelmed, cuz its not so bad. I hope somewhere in this very long post I maybe answered your question!September 23, 2012 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #907903
Candy613 from the way you are describing the tracks it sounds like the first track has more work, harder tests, less time to prep in class etc but do they learn on a higher level? Thats what I really want – not just more work. My friend who switched from my school to another went to my principal and told her that she didnt feel challenged so my principal told her that they would give her extra work. Thats not what she wanted! So what is really going on in that top class?
It also sounds like most of the textual parts and skills you gain are on your own – is that true? In class its mostly airy fairy stuff and conversations? I like the debates and discussions but I really enjoy the great meforshim and deep gemara type stuff. Thats why Im thinking Machon Raya might be more for me. I want the substance – I believe thats what Im inspired by more then the rest. Also the top class doesnt have class time for prep? Because that also sounds like just giving them more work as opposed to learning on a higher level. I wish I could talk to you in person – its very hard to get to the bottom on here. Thanks a ton!September 24, 2012 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #907904
I’m so sorry… I feel like I keep confusing people about what Ateres really is with my posts! Yes the work is harder, but the classes are definately on a higher level as well. They are more intelectual and stimulating for sure! The classes have text as well Not just airy conversations. The class DOES have prep time just as the other two tracks, but they are not being taught the material. They do it more with other girls and have tutors around if the need does arise.
I understand what you are saying about needing substance. Ateres has both textual and hashkafa so that substance definately exists. I am not saying Machon Raya is not better for you. I don’t know you and it very well could be that it is the place for you! I am not here to sell Ateres! For the people that it is the place for, I encourage them and hope they will have the privalege to go. So it really is overall a higher level class in all areas not just more work. But you know you gotta apply to 3 places, and many of my friends applied to machon raya also. Apply to both and 1 more and let Hashem do the rest! That is really all you can do. If you do get into both you will worry about it then. You do not need to get yourself worked up about seminary until November I say don’t think about it now, and work to enjoy 12th grade while you have it!!!September 24, 2012 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #907905love eretz yisroelMember
i went to seminar last year. nanny, wat u describe as wat type of seminary u want seminar fits it to the “T”. it’s out-of-townie, not a lot of work, & growth oriented. the girls tht go there r good solid girls. there’s a mix of girls. 7 the girls r not jappy at all. i really recommend seminar!
also kesser chaya just opened this year. i heard they were trying to get the type of girls tht go to seminar. but they were going to make it more hashkafik based.September 25, 2012 1:46 am at 1:46 am #907906
Before I thought that musicaldignity and I want competently different things… now I realize that that’s not the case! My favorite class in HS is definitely the one one that keeps me thinking… as you would call it, intellectually stimulating. I really need that– I hate sitting around bored in class, waiting for it to end! My impression of Ateres is that it’s not like that.
The difference, I think, (correct me if I’m wrong, Musicaldignity) is workwise– I wouldn’t be able to sit down and do HW each night, and I want a chance to chill a bit after all I’ve been through in HS! 🙂 Do you have HW each and every night? and a ton of reports? It happens to be that I don’t mind tests as much as I mind actual, sitting-down type of work.September 27, 2012 2:12 am at 2:12 am #907907
love eretz yisroel, Can you tell me more about Seminar? Where are the girls coming from? Is it very textual? And it it true they have lots of party girls? 🙂
And do you (or anyone else) know anything about what type of crowd Kesser Chaya ended up getting?September 27, 2012 2:39 am at 2:39 am #907908love eretz yisroelMember
the girls r really from all over! it’s really nice! they r all warm, caring girls & non- judgemental. it’s not very textual, some of it is textual but not too much. i think it’s a good mix.there is some hw, but definitely enough time to party, or to do watever u want.the teachers r also very warm & caring. they r open minded, u will feel comfortable to ask them anything, & they will answer u to the best of their ability or direct u to someone else if not. there r a lot of party girls, & there r also the girls tht will do their work first. like i said there’s a big mix so u’ll find both.
not sure the type of crowd they got. just know wat they were looking for cuz 1 of my rabbeim is helping to open it.September 30, 2012 4:16 am at 4:16 am #907909
Is it the type that some girls would play non-Jewish music in their rooms?September 30, 2012 9:14 am at 9:14 am #907910theObviousMember
nanny- unfortunately, most girls these days listen to non jewish music. in most BY seminaries, you wont hear the music out loud though. and by the way you described yeshivish with never showing the knees… sorry but its not going to be that way. unfortunately, a majority of the girls have a hard time with that.
and nanny- sorry but meohr is academic with a lot of work and a lottttttttttt of class. but the hashkafa balances it out. it is hard to get into but you will get in if you are right for it.
good luck wherever you end up!!October 3, 2012 4:40 am at 4:40 am #907911tomato18Member
i am a regular girl in a regular bais yaakov school and idk wat seminary to go to plz help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…………mayb you can give me a rundown of what each seminaary is like! thanx!October 7, 2012 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #907912
theobvious… I know there are some sems that most girls don’t listen… I mean, I don’t want to be the frummest girls in sem, in a sense I would rather be the most modern. Like im sure most girls in BJJ don’t right?October 25, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #907913Princess15Member
it sounds like you are looking for a sem like seminar/ateres.
hatzlochoOctober 25, 2012 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #907914
nanny like we said before ateres is def a place you should apply to, maybe seminar or machon raya could be a second, but machon raya might be more academic then what you are looking for, but I know this may be surprising but i think you should look more into tiferes as a third place to apply! I do think ateres would be great for you!!!!!October 26, 2012 1:26 am at 1:26 am #907915
Tiferes? Really? I don’t really want that yeshivish… I would rather a place that’s frum like BJJ. Just not that academic… and I don’t know if that’s possible! I’m pretty sure I WILL end up applying to Ateres, thanks, candy. I’m going to have to meet with my principle soon to discuss all this stuff, so I’ll see what they think.
Do you know anything about Binas?October 26, 2012 2:36 am at 2:36 am #907916
PS- Randomly this week 3 people came up to me and told me I should go to Seminar! Is that weird? And I asked people about Ateres and everyone agreed it’s a really good place, but they didn’t know much about it because it’s a newer place I think.
I’ve also been told to look into Binas and Nachlas. Anybody on the CR went there? 😉October 26, 2012 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #907917
I just found this post, and my granddaughter is going to EY next year, IY”H. She is thinking of Darchei Bina (I think that’s what it’s called). Does anyone know anything about that one? How academic, how hashkafadik, what kind of girls, staff, etc. Any information would be so greatly appreciated!October 28, 2012 5:03 am at 5:03 am #907918
Lots of girls from my school go to Darchei Bina! It’s supposed to be a great place. I hear lots of great stuff about it. How academic and BY does your granddaughter want?October 28, 2012 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #907919
She’s a smart girl, but I don’t think she wants to kill herself with schoolwork. She doesn’t want to be bored, but not a ton of work. She’s a good girl, goes to a regular BY high school, but doesn’t exactly fit the BY mold, if you know what I mean. She needs a bais yaakov, but not a frummy place. She needs good teachers/mentors that she can talk to and relate to. I think she needs/wants good hashkafa classes. Does that give you somewhat of an idea?October 28, 2012 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #907920
Hi so I see Nanny has started the ongoing conversation, My principal gave me the option of maybe Ateres, but I am in 12th grade so I have to decide very soon! I am looking for a seminary that really stresses the value of torah and mitzvot and halchot because i regard it highly, but aren’t so narrow, they teach the whole picture, they stress the halachot but like they don’t force you. I want to leave feeling like I love Hashem not overwhelmed and irritated after hearing about tzniut, etc. I’m interested in Bais Yaakov, I asked about darchei binah, but I know a close friend who didn’t havethe best experience. To candy..the one who went to ateres, help me out haha, is ateres warm? do they stress midot tovot, do they let you ask questions till you completely understand it because my friend scared me that some schools can call you apikores. I know everyone is on their own tznius level, theirs obviously a dress code, but do they recognize everyone is on their own level and if something is un- tznius they say it nicely. and also would you do me the great chesed of telling me what classes you had besides chumash and navi like others for an example- eshes chayil, tehilim, koheles, mishlei, I learned those in highschool, anything like that? I looked online and I saw bnos chana, halichos, but my school is unfamiliar about that one, although the classes seemed nice, its alittle risky to go somewhere my teachers never heard of, but some alumnis from my school went to ateres…October 29, 2012 12:04 am at 12:04 am #907921
and also about the girls, they just want to have to grow, are most of the girls there because they want to get closer to Hashem or because they were forced, as long as they wanna be better people, and they have this thirst for torah, then I’m fine.October 29, 2012 12:58 am at 12:58 am #907922
ahavas_yisroel, sounds like Darchei Binah might be just what she is looking for! Maybe also check out Meohr and Bnos Chava. She should talk to a seminary adviser in school (if her school provides).
helpmeoutplease- ever considered Meohr? Sounds like the girls there would suit what you are looking for. I’m surprised you know someone who had a bad experience in Darchei Binah- it’s supposed to be really good.October 29, 2012 1:11 am at 1:11 am #907923
well I had a friend that went to maor – My principal said she wasn’t crazy about it. I think I’ll look into ateres, ill wait to see if candy613 answers if im not mistaken she knows more about it. But good luck to you!October 29, 2012 1:45 am at 1:45 am #907924
Hi! So happy to have seen ateres up again! So to helpmeoutplease- i think it would be very helpful for you to go back and read the past posts of this thread! I am sure many if not all of your questions about ateres will be answered! But to give you a quick answer, yes! ateres is known to be one of the warmest places! They encourage you to ask any questions you can possibly have! They are so patient with each and every girl and every question that you come out feeling satisfied, feeling like your head is screwed on straight, and not only knowing why you do what you do without having things feel like annoying restrictions, but you come to feel like it is your own and understand why you want to incorporate these special things into your life now and into those generations to come!!!
Ateres may not be what you are looking for. I cannot say since I do not know you. I do not “sell” the seminary i went to. I believe it is great for those that it caters to! So please do yourself a favor and read the 3 pages of posts and you will get a feeling of what Ateres is so that you will see for yourself if it is a place you should apply to! I wish you much hatzlacha and may you get into the right place for you where you will gain and grow higher!!!!October 29, 2012 3:09 am at 3:09 am #907925
candy, can I ask you a weird question?
You think I should apply to Tiferes really really?
+, I think I know you…October 29, 2012 3:11 am at 3:11 am #907926
Hey again guys. Candy – just wondering what Rabbi Belsky is like. I dont know anything about him. Whats his derech when it comes to his girls?October 29, 2012 3:44 am at 3:44 am #907927
WOW! we are getting quite intense here!
Ok…. So nanny- You think you know me??? from where? that is cool! How would you have figured me out?
I just got vibes from what you wrote that tiferes may be an option! its a really great place! very homey like ateres we shared some teachers as well which would mean there is quite a bit of hashkafa… It was a little more yeshivish but that isn’t always a bad thing…. I’ll tell you, it might just be good to apply if you only have two other places at least look into it, idk just got vibes! I really do see you in Ateres though from your posts! I think you should think into it and maybe talk to a tiferes alumnus!
Musicaldignity- so that is a very hard question to answer! I am not sure what you are asking by that. I happened to have loved everything about Rabbi Belsky and became extremely close to him in seminary more then any other teacher!!! He wants his girls to always be learning growing and succeeding in the torah derech. You really have to meet him to get who he is, it is hard for me to talk about him in writing to someone who doesn’t know him! I will tell you, I am very opinionated, blunt, and it takes a lot to impress me, but He really did it! He helped me with many different things throughout the year, and I really think he is probably THE MOST INCREDIBLE PERSON I HAVE EVER MET! And I have met a lot of great ppl so that is saying a lot! I will tell you, there are not many people who do not like him. At the interview he is great! Everyone walks out of their interview pretty much raving about him and ateres! He is an extremely unique person! I think he is the most special seminary principal because he does what is right no matter what and holds what is right even if it is the minority which is something that has been very important to me always…. I don’t have the words to truly describe him! He was def. my favorite! If you have any specific questions about him, feel free!!!October 29, 2012 5:01 am at 5:01 am #907928
Well, I might be very wrong, but did you attend either the 9th or 10th High School that you have mentioned in an earlier post? (page 2)
Also what was your Ateres interview like?October 29, 2012 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #907929
okay thanks candy, wow what a chesed you are doing for everyone. I’ve been reading the past threads, and it helped me quite a lot.1. But would you be able to tell me more about the classes, I know there are three levels but what exactly are the classes? And I am looking for serious girls as well, but not necessarily girls that were forced to be there and instead rebelled but love what they do and love Hashem and the halachot they keep. 2. When you left there did you feel like you left having a strong connection with Hashem through your tzniut, etc? or like you just did it…and don’t know why? 3. And how are the girls, everyones really on their own level even if they are coming from a BY school or even not, is everyone accepting even if they are not on theirs? or necessarily if they don’t come from the cookie cutter background?October 29, 2012 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #907930
this is an absolutely amazing thread. Candy, you are SO helpful and full of knowledge about the different seminaries. I;’m going to have my granddaughter read this whole thread, and we’ll be back if she has any further questions. THANK YOU!
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