August 12, 2012 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #604523
My Rebbes and my father always told me not to whistle – “Nisht a yiddishe zach”.
Does anybody know of any gedolim who say so and any sources, please? I only have one source – the Shulchan Aruch in Hilchos Shabbos Siman 338/9, where it says ‘Muttar’ [with relevance to hashmoas kol]. I haven’t seen anybody on the page who argues.August 12, 2012 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #891480
I was once whistling in yeshiva, and the mashgiach told me: “If you whistle, you are not a goy. But a goy whistles”.
I said, “what”?
He said it is linked to gaava.August 12, 2012 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #891481
What about folding your hands together (fingers of one hand between the fingers of the other hand)?
I heard that is a goyishe zach also. Is that actual halacha or something like gaaiva also?August 12, 2012 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #891482
Both of these are brought down as things not to do in Kabbalistic sources. Pashtus is that we hold like the Gemara in the last Perek of P’sachim on these types of Inyanim.August 12, 2012 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #891483
I like to whistle, and people always tell me not to because it attracts sheidim…August 12, 2012 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #891484
its pritzuisAugust 12, 2012 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #891485
Tell that to Shlomo Carlebach Z”L, who often whistled (and so beautifully, with such heart) when he sang in public. Goyim eat and sleep, too. Should we give those things up?
As to the hand folding – I have heard it is how the Goyim hold their hands when they are in church, so I could see that, I suppose. I will say this, when I went to Crown Heights Yeshivah over 50 years ago, our morahs and rebbies always taught us to sit up straight with our hands like that during quiet time or when someone choshuv was coming into the room.August 12, 2012 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #891486
Sam, that might only apply to Zugos. If I remember correctly this is indicated in Be’er Hagola of the Maharal.
In a letter againt Avraham Chiyun, the Baal Smichas Chachamim complains that in the night he whistles, a known practice among Sheidim worshippers.August 12, 2012 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #891487
Whistling is chukas hagoyim.August 12, 2012 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #891488
Goyim also breathe so let’s hold our breath. Who makes this stuff up or cares?August 12, 2012 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #891489
What they do for avoda zora (whistling/sheidim worshippers, hand folding/church) is indeed assur.August 12, 2012 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #891490
HaLeiVi: Yes, but nowadays it’s known that people whistle for other reason than worshiping Sheidim (of course I agree that worshiping Sheidim is completely Assur). And if I recall correctly, the Maharam Al-Ashkar in a Tshuvah brings down that idea for more than just Zugos.August 12, 2012 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #891491
Englishman: That’s not quite correct. It’s only Assur Mishum B’chukoseihem if they invented the practice for their worship. Not if a human action existed and they just co-opted it. Otherwise it would be an Issur of Chukas Hagoyim to bow or even to eat/drink or go to the bathroom because all of those actions were used for Avodah Zarah at one point.August 12, 2012 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #891492
As I’ve said elsewhere, China’s is never cited to assured misuse food stamps, Medicaid or Section 8. If anything, it’s justified. ” but the goyim do it!! “August 12, 2012 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #891493
I always whistle, because people tell me it attracts sheidim.August 12, 2012 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #891494
I always whistle, because people tell me it attracts sheidim.
So when you are camping in the wilderness, you are always a bit wary of bears during the night, and that’s why you don’t keep any food or smelly stuff in your tent.
But there are always funny noises during the night, that sound like footsteps near your tent, or rustling in the bushes. So I just tell myself it is probably a sheid and go back to sleep.August 12, 2012 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #891495
I meant Chukas goyim, not chinaAugust 12, 2012 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #891496
And if whistling is Assur because of Sheidim, then those who whistle can probably rely on the Gra that Sheidim no longer exist.August 13, 2012 12:07 am at 12:07 am #891497
Lol popaAugust 13, 2012 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #891499
whistling in hebrew is spelled ???? wich is aleph beis backwards which represents midas hadin (tur hislchot tefilas shabbos)thats why attracks shedim goim…. and not puting fingers crossed is mention in a medrash kohelesAugust 15, 2012 8:44 am at 8:44 am #891500
Like I said – muttar.August 15, 2012 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #891501
In the Yeshiva where i work many of the boys whistle or sing loudly while roaming the halls it is very annoying, singing is great but there is a time for everything they do it so loud it is disturbing the peace.August 15, 2012 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #891502
I dont know of an issur but there is an issue that nobody mentioned.
I remember hearing that the Nazis used to whistle specifically Mengele yimach shemo vezichro may he never leave gehennom used to whistle and act in a very care free relaxed attitude while making his selektion of who goes where. That is why many holocaust survivors are anti whistling and find it repulsive. This likely seeped down to their children and they got the idea that whistling is bad but not necessarily with the why so many assume it is halachic but it isnt a halacha to my knowledge.August 15, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #891503
This might be a bubba maisa but my Grandmother used to say that whistling only attracts sheidim if done by children on Shabbos.August 15, 2012 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #891504
What they do for avoda zora (whistling/sheidim worshippers, hand folding/church) is indeed assur.
So I take it that you hold that it’s assur to sing? Or clap your hands? Or play an organ? Those are done in churches too.
The WolfAugust 15, 2012 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #891505
probably because you were annoying the heck out of your grandmother with your whistling. it was nicer than asking you to zip it.
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