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  • #604523

    yekke2
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    My Rebbes and my father always told me not to whistle – “Nisht a yiddishe zach”.

    Does anybody know of any gedolim who say so and any sources, please? I only have one source – the Shulchan Aruch in Hilchos Shabbos Siman 338/9, where it says ‘Muttar’ [with relevance to hashmoas kol]. I haven’t seen anybody on the page who argues.

    #891480

    popa_bar_abba
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    I was once whistling in yeshiva, and the mashgiach told me: “If you whistle, you are not a goy. But a goy whistles”.

    I said, “what”?

    He said it is linked to gaava.

    #891481

    shlishi
    Member

    What about folding your hands together (fingers of one hand between the fingers of the other hand)?

    I heard that is a goyishe zach also. Is that actual halacha or something like gaaiva also?

    #891482

    Sam2
    Participant

    Both of these are brought down as things not to do in Kabbalistic sources. Pashtus is that we hold like the Gemara in the last Perek of P’sachim on these types of Inyanim.

    #891483

    OneOfMany
    Member

    I like to whistle, and people always tell me not to because it attracts sheidim…

    #891484

    mewho
    Participant

    its pritzuis

    #891485

    oomis
    Participant

    Tell that to Shlomo Carlebach Z”L, who often whistled (and so beautifully, with such heart) when he sang in public. Goyim eat and sleep, too. Should we give those things up?

    As to the hand folding – I have heard it is how the Goyim hold their hands when they are in church, so I could see that, I suppose. I will say this, when I went to Crown Heights Yeshivah over 50 years ago, our morahs and rebbies always taught us to sit up straight with our hands like that during quiet time or when someone choshuv was coming into the room.

    #891486

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Sam, that might only apply to Zugos. If I remember correctly this is indicated in Be’er Hagola of the Maharal.

    In a letter againt Avraham Chiyun, the Baal Smichas Chachamim complains that in the night he whistles, a known practice among Sheidim worshippers.

    #891487

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Whistling is chukas hagoyim.

    #891488

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Goyim also breathe so let’s hold our breath. Who makes this stuff up or cares?

    #891489

    Englishman
    Member

    What they do for avoda zora (whistling/sheidim worshippers, hand folding/church) is indeed assur.

    #891490

    Sam2
    Participant

    HaLeiVi: Yes, but nowadays it’s known that people whistle for other reason than worshiping Sheidim (of course I agree that worshiping Sheidim is completely Assur). And if I recall correctly, the Maharam Al-Ashkar in a Tshuvah brings down that idea for more than just Zugos.

    #891491

    Sam2
    Participant

    Englishman: That’s not quite correct. It’s only Assur Mishum B’chukoseihem if they invented the practice for their worship. Not if a human action existed and they just co-opted it. Otherwise it would be an Issur of Chukas Hagoyim to bow or even to eat/drink or go to the bathroom because all of those actions were used for Avodah Zarah at one point.

    #891492

    lesschumras
    Participant

    As I’ve said elsewhere, China’s is never cited to assured misuse food stamps, Medicaid or Section 8. If anything, it’s justified. ” but the goyim do it!! “

    #891493

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    I always whistle, because people tell me it attracts sheidim.

    #891494

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I always whistle, because people tell me it attracts sheidim.

    So when you are camping in the wilderness, you are always a bit wary of bears during the night, and that’s why you don’t keep any food or smelly stuff in your tent.

    But there are always funny noises during the night, that sound like footsteps near your tent, or rustling in the bushes. So I just tell myself it is probably a sheid and go back to sleep.

    #891495

    lesschumras
    Participant

    I meant Chukas goyim, not china

    #891496

    Sam2
    Participant

    And if whistling is Assur because of Sheidim, then those who whistle can probably rely on the Gra that Sheidim no longer exist.

    #891497

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Lol popa

    #891499

    yidyid
    Member

    whistling in hebrew is spelled ???? wich is aleph beis backwards which represents midas hadin (tur hislchot tefilas shabbos)thats why attracks shedim goim…. and not puting fingers crossed is mention in a medrash koheles

    #891500

    yekke2
    Participant

    Like I said – muttar.

    #891501

    TheGoq
    Participant

    In the Yeshiva where i work many of the boys whistle or sing loudly while roaming the halls it is very annoying, singing is great but there is a time for everything they do it so loud it is disturbing the peace.

    #891502

    WIY
    Member

    I dont know of an issur but there is an issue that nobody mentioned.

    I remember hearing that the Nazis used to whistle specifically Mengele yimach shemo vezichro may he never leave gehennom used to whistle and act in a very care free relaxed attitude while making his selektion of who goes where. That is why many holocaust survivors are anti whistling and find it repulsive. This likely seeped down to their children and they got the idea that whistling is bad but not necessarily with the why so many assume it is halachic but it isnt a halacha to my knowledge.

    #891503

    ReuBrew
    Participant

    This might be a bubba maisa but my Grandmother used to say that whistling only attracts sheidim if done by children on Shabbos.

    #891504

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    What they do for avoda zora (whistling/sheidim worshippers, hand folding/church) is indeed assur.

    So I take it that you hold that it’s assur to sing? Or clap your hands? Or play an organ? Those are done in churches too.

    The Wolf

    #891505

    apushatayid
    Participant

    probably because you were annoying the heck out of your grandmother with your whistling. it was nicer than asking you to zip it.

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