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  1. hershi
    Joseph

    Does all of German Jewry fall under the umbrella of Yekke's? If not, what are non-Yekke German Jews considered? ("Litvish" doesn't seem correct.)

    And what does being Yekke entail?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. stuck
    Joseph

    Not all frum German Jews are Yekkes, though I'm not sure what the others are considered minhag-wise.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the two most sandy ectoplasmic beings on Earth (not to mention the Man on the Moon).

    You can tell everything by observing a kiddush.

    The people scarfing down herring and kichel are chassidish
    The people with a cup of vodka in each hand are Lubavitch
    The litvak is the one with cholent and kugel on his plate, but waiting for it to turn stone cold
    The ungarish oiberlanders are the ones who have their kugel on fancy plates.
    The unterlanders are licking the crumbs from the kichel off the table
    If there are any sephardim, which would be unusual, they are the ones being served by their wives and/or children
    The yekkes are the ones who are sitting at the table with one cookie

    If I missed any groups that you need help identifying, just let me know. (I purposely left out one group because they are likely to start a flame war denouncing all rw jewry if I include them. They are very sensitive)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. 147
    -105

    from Wikipedia:-

    The term Yekke (adjective: Yekkish) (alt: Jecke or Yecke) is a generally jovial, mildly derogatory term primarily used by Jews to refer to their coreligionists from Germany or who adhere to the Western-European minhag.

    Today, very few original Yekkes are still German residents, but they remain in regions such as Switzerland, Eastern France (Alsace and Lorraine), and Luxembourg. A significant community managed to escape Frankfurt after Kristallnacht, and relocated to the Washington Heights region of New York City, where they still have a synagogue, K'hal Adass Jeshurun, which punctiliously adheres to the Yekkish liturgical text, rituals, and melodies.[1] Most of the 200,000 Jews living in Germany today emigrated from the former USSR after 1990 and only 105,000 are registered members of Jewish communities.[2]

    A group of Yekkes established kibbutz Chofetz Chaim in the Gedarim region of Israel just south of Tel Aviv. Recently a few new Yekkish communities have been started in Israel by "Machon Moreshet Ashkenaz," and one of the leading communities is K'hal Adas Yeshurun of Jerusalem, which is running a "Nusach Project", a project of preserving the special Yekkish melodies.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. stuck
    Joseph

    They are a small community.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. HaLeiVi
    Plays the aeolian harp by air

    UnYekke: How I snuck out of Yekkehoodledom. It was scheduled to come out last week Thursday 5:03, but I'm purposely not caring about that.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. Nechomah
    Member

    I'm not sure what you mean by "entail". That implies to me something that you could be if you wanted to do what it involves. I could be wrong, correct me if I am.

    Yekkes, as indicated above, are those of German descent. They have different minhagim, some of which include each adult male making his own kiddush at the Shabbos table, woman lighting only 2 candles - no adding more for children, boys wearing a tallis after Bar Mitzvah, waiting only 3 hours after meat until eating milk.

    To be Yekke, you either have to be born one (males) or marry one (females).

    Now there is a very different concept of being a Yekke that is often spoken of. One midda of Yekkes is known to be their promptness. This is a trait that is inherent in the people of that region, not just the Jews. Also Swiss people are like this. I once went to an appointment with a doctor who happens to be a Jew from Alcace. I was running late and even the taxi driver told me "Oh, you don't go to Dr. _____ late." This type of Yekke everybody is free to be, and is actually a worthy midda to work on.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. GG_chap
    Member

    Two Yekkish stories (from my Yekkische shul):

    A guy moves into the area and comes to our shul every day for a few weeks, but no-one says anything to him (or greets) him. And one Shabbos morning he's standing outside shul after davenning and an older Yekke walks towards to him and say "Gut Shabbos". And he's delighted that someone has finally spoken to him and extends his hand and says "Gut Shabbos" in return. And the old Yekke says "No, not you, you fool, ze person behind you". [BTW, I think that story actually happened, but our shul is *much* more friendly now!].

    A chassidische guy comes to shul one day and asks if there's a Mikve. And the Yekkische response is, of course, "Vy? Are you a Metzowroh?".

    And Inyonei D'Yoma: There were some categories of Yieden that didn't serve the Eigel:

    1. The Amschenovers, who said, "Moshe Rabbeinu late? No, he's not late".
    2. Lubavitch, who said "Moshe Rabbeinu dead? No, he's not dead."
    3. And the Bresolvers, who said, "So Moshe Rabbeinu is dead... So what?"

    And Satmar, who said, "Ah, but he has a brother - Aharon".

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. stuck
    Joseph

    With Chasidim, also, every adult (13+) makes his own kiddush.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. 147
    -105

    Response to Nechomah:-

    Yekkes, as indicated above, are those of German descent ...... Not exclusively German descent, but Western European Descent including Switzerland, Nethelands, France, and probably also Scandinavia

    They have different minhagim, some of which include each adult male making his own kiddush at the Shabbos table, .... No more so than any other sector of Jewry.

    woman lighting only 2 candles - no adding more for children, ...... Becuase candles based on Zochor veShomor, hence only 2 candles required; However Jekkes add something much more significant for their children, that Jekkes Bensch their children thrice each week, by Friday nite Kiddush, Shabbos morning Kiddush, and by Havdoloh (Of-course also by all Kiddush & Havdoloh on Yom Tov too); Benshing their children includes father, mother & grandparents benshing children & grandchildren, and and Benshing spouses of children & grandchildren.

    boys wearing a tallis after Bar Mitzvah, ..... Already by 3 years old.

    waiting only 3 hours after meat until eating milk. ..... Some Jekkes {Dutch & Scandinavian origin} wait 1 hour, as is mentioned by the Romoh in Yoreh Deah.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. lifeisbumpy
    Member

    Some other things that yekke's do is by the chuppah they are not facing the people and have a tallis on top of them. Some wash before kiddiush, wait 3 hrs, boy at 3 years old brings a wimpel a clothe that gets wrapped around the sefer torah and is designed with the childs name and things.

    Most old time yekke's who live in a yekkish area are generally proud of their roots.

    Yekkes are spread out all over but most people just dont know who in their area is yekkish, theirs switzerland, washington heights, and other areas that have a great yekkish population.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. Bowwow
    Member

    Here is a link to Madrich L'bnei Ashkenaz by R' Binyamin Hamburger of Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz of Bnei Brak. He has done extensive research on the various minhagim. The Hebrew version is current for this year, the English version is a few years old.

    http://www.moreshesashkenaz.org/mm/publications/Madrich.pdf

    http://www.moreshesashkenaz.org/mm/publications/MadrichEnglish.pdf

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. twisted
    pretzel

    And for the hapless visitor, ignorance of the "law" is no excuse!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Toi
    beware the cleats

    Bowwow- i got 404s on both links.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. sushee
    Joseph

    It's amazing that German Jewry has a comparitavely higher holocaust survival rate, despite the fact they were literally in Hitler and the Nazi ym's' lions den.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. yekke2
    Member

    And what does being Yekke entail?

    Being a Yekke, unlike most other sects of Judaism, entails being born a Yekke. Other sects include transforming, changing מסורה and deciding to do what you want. Not Yekkes.

    Yekkes, as indicated above, are those of German descent. They have different minhagim, some of which include each adult male making his own kiddush at the Shabbos table, woman lighting only 2 candles - no adding more for children, boys wearing a tallis after Bar Mitzvah, waiting only 3 hours after meat until eating milk.

    I am a Yekke, am related to many Yekkes, and affiliated with dozens of Yekkes, and I have yet to see a Yekkishe family where each adult male makes his own kiddush. I have heard of Chassidim doing that, but i have never seen a Yekke doing it.
    Candles - Correct.

    I wore a Tallis from when i was about nine - most yekkes wear a tallis already before their bar mitzvah. In my family, we start when we start going to Shul for Shacharis.

    woman lighting only 2 candles - no adding more for children, ...... Becuase candles based on Zochor veShomor, hence only 2 candles required; However Jekkes add something much more significant for their children, that Jekkes Bensch their children thrice each week, by Friday nite Kiddush, Shabbos morning Kiddush, and by Havdoloh (Of-course also by all Kiddush & Havdoloh on Yom Tov too); Benshing their children includes father, mother & grandparents benshing children & grandchildren, and and Benshing spouses of children & grandchildren.

    My parents only bentch us once - Friday night. I haven't heard of being bentched thrice. By the way, my Litvishe grandfather (maternal) also bentches us weekly, although it could be because he married a yekke.

    They are a small community.

    You can thank Mr Hitler for that.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Actually, German Jews had one of the highest survival rates from the holocaust, since they were able to see what the Nazi's were planning long before everyone else (since they lived in Germany) and many escaped, whereas by time the Nazis overran other European countries it was too late to escape.

    Being a Yekke, unlike most other sects of Judaism, entails being born a Yekke. Other sects include transforming, changing מסורה and deciding to do what you want. Not Yekkes.

    Actually, that is true with all sectors of Judaism. Nothing unique to Yekkes.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. yekke2
    Member

    Being a Yekke, unlike most other sects of Judaism, entails being born a Yekke. Other sects include transforming, changing מסורה and deciding to do what you want. Not Yekkes.

    Actually, that is true with all sectors of Judaism. Nothing unique to Yekkes.

    Not Chassidim - I'm afraid if that would be true, Chassidus wouldn't exist - isn't it a modern invention - like within the last 300 years?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. avhaben
    Joseph

    Chasidim follow the ARIZAL's minhagim, that the ARI HaKodesh instituted.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. yaakov doe
    Member

    Coming to shiul on time defines a Yeke

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. dafbiyun
    Member

    so the yekke tells his wife " I am going to be coming home late from shul tonight" "why is that"? she asks. "Well", he says, they are starting to say vsain tal umutor..."

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. zahavasdad
    zahavasoneluckygirl

    There are probably fewer Yekkes because there was higher assimilation in Germany than elsewhere. While there were plenty of secular jews in Poland they still were somewhere seperate than the regular population. They were Jews not Polish.

    In Germany the were German not jewish and many German Jews had intermarried which did not occur in the east

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. avhaben
    Joseph

    What are the frum German Yidden, who are not Yekkes, called?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. RN12
    Member

    vimpel happens when the child is toilet trained, nothing to do with 3, its not an upsherin. Tallasim have nothing to do with bar mitzva its whenever they go to shul. Fyi, under the "yekkes" umbrella groups from different areas have slightly different minhagim (some wash before kiddush, some dont, there are slight variations in davening etc)and most importantly we are super proud of our heritage!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. just my hapence
    a penny for your thoughts, minus some change

    RN12 - " Fyi, under the "yekkes" umbrella groups from different areas have slightly different minhagim (some wash before kiddush, some dont, there are slight variations in davening etc)and most importantly we are super proud of our heritage! "

    True dat! I'm a (mainly...) yekke, and I didn't recognise a lot of the things that this thread claims yekkes 'do'. Though I do have a bit of Gerrer blood in me too, and that's messed up my minhogim a little... But my wife is pure-blood, died-in-the-wool yekkish on all sides and even some of the minhogim that I knew in my family are yekkish she'd never heard of, and visa-versa.

    And about the whole wearing a tallis before marriage, I used to love pointing out to people in yeshiva who asked me why I wore one that the mishna berura (hardly a yekke by anyone's accounting) says that it is a chiyuv gomur. The looks were hysterical...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. Please hit "caps lock" and try again.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. Toi
    beware the cleats

    RN- you begin to shtell avekk exactly what the criteria are for certain minhagim, and then go on to say that others are lav davka. brilliant.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    I am mainly of German descent but never had the opportunity to ask my father about being yekkish because he left the family but What are the relevant minhagim I need to know

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. notasheep
    more like a mother bear

    I always joke that before I got married I was a yekke, and my husband says that in itself is a yekkishe vort!
    Lighting candles on friday night - yes some light only 2 but because as far as I know candle lighting is the only minhag where a woman follows her mother, this is not so true any more. My mother lights for each child (and she is a proper yekke) and so do I.
    You can also tell a real old yekke by their pronunciation...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    Ok

    Posted 1 year ago #
  31. It's all about how much stress you can handle..

    Posted 1 year ago #
  32. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    What do you mean?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  33. Yekkes are very stressful, my bad, let me rephrase, they r very calm but get everyone around them stressed

    Posted 1 year ago #
  34. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    Ok

    Posted 1 year ago #
  35. notasheep
    more like a mother bear

    Only cause we seem to have created the concept of 'Jewish time' and a lot of people don't know how to be punctual anymore. Ok, there are some yekkes who are neurotic about punctuality but for most of us it's just reasonable and mentschlich to be on time. I was once at a wedding of a friend, where the chuppa started exactly on time. Another person I know came in the middle of the chuppa and her comment was 'who starts a wedding on time?' - those were her exact words. Time is a very precious thing and yekkes respect that.
    I agree though that some are very particular about details of things cause that's how they always do it and they're not gonna change, so they are very inflexible and that's not good either.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  36. Yserbius123
    Member

    In KAJ Monsey there was a story one year where the cops call the president at home one night after 2am. They tell him that the shul alarm went off and they are going to check it out. He comes in to shul to find that one of the more insane members had went in to change all of the clocks for daylight savings time.

    I personally know both parties involved and can vouch for the story's accuracy.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  37. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    thats funny.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  38. yaakov doe
    Member

    The Yekkes should send shlichim into the larger Jewish community to spread the concepts of timliness and decorum to the other Yiddin. The are the best!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  39. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    +1

    Posted 1 year ago #
  40. Bowwow/Toi:

    The links do work if you go to the address and load them (again).

    I also have some yekkishe background.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  41. Shopping613
    The Awarder, President, and founder of SUC (Single Username Certificates). Contact me to join. Pretty please with all the toppings on top

    Wgar are yekkes¿¿

    Posted 1 year ago #
  42. Yekke
    Member

    Response to Yserbius123:

    Being the reportedly insane member in question - I would like to point out to you that there is perhaps another angle that you haven't thought about: The lights had to go on before davening the next morning and yours truly is responsible for that...

    And if C"V they would go on late? Who would be the first to make a world scandal out of it but... YOU of all people!

    Now, being that you know all parties in question - you are therefore proving yourself (again) a worthy member of the group depicted in the first paragraph of GG_Chap's post above...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  43. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    why would you do that?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  44. AFSHERFARKERT
    Member

    An average Yekkeh can talk at least seven languages but can't cook a decent meal. When you go to a Yekkeh wedding you are not sure if you are at a wedding or a fundraising dinner till you hear the rabbi speak.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  45. Toi
    beware the cleats

    The average yekke can kick your tuches in learning. watch it fool.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  46. yekke2
    Member

    Efsherfarkert - PUNKT Fakert. I know some great yekkishe cooks, and none of them speak seven languages (random?!).

    Toi - Are you a yekke?

    BTW- Both of you - these generelizations are ridiculous. There is no such thing as an "average yekke".

    Posted 1 year ago #
  47. nfgo3
    Member

    What do you get when a Yekke marries a Lubavitcher? Children who exactly one hour late to everything.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  48. nfgo3
    Member

    Re yekke2's comment that there is no such thing as an "average Yekke": All the Yekkes I know tell me that all Yekkes are above average, but half of all Lubavitchers are below average.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  49. Toi
    beware the cleats

    yes

    Posted 1 year ago #

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