Are (extra terrestrial) aliens kosher?

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  • #2395637
    HaLeiVi
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    There is no prohibition on eating rock, even if you manage to make it edible. If the Torah didn’t set limits on a class of food you don’t need to withold for lack of express permission.

    Therefore, if I catch an alien, can I eat it? Would it need Shechita oreven Nechira? Assuming that אבר מן החי applies, do we need explicit definition of what removes that Issue?

    #2395938
    akuperma
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    If the aliens are animals, they would have to meet the same requirements as regular earthly animals, and we would also need a tradition that they were kosher (this would probably require a navi, so don’t hold your breath). If an alien were sentient, the question (addressed in science fiction) is whether they could become a ger. If a plant, it would probably be kosher – but consider what if the plant were sentient and wanted to convert. The probability is that any alien food source would be toxic for humans, or at least would be inedible due to a different chemical composition.

    #2395940
    @fakenews
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    Is it applicable to you today?

    #2395943
    ☕️coffee addict
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    A rock isnt considered a חי vis a vis דומם, צומח etc only a חי would need שחיטה which if there were aliens they would need it but why wouldn’t it need other סימני כשרות

    #2396062
    ard
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    oh, i thought you meant illegal aliens

    #2396075
    Honest spirit
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    Assuming that it has the איסור אבר מן החי that means it’s a living animal, if so it has to be categorized as kosher in the animal world, so if it’s a bird it needs a mesora מדאורייתא גם לספרדים if it’s a animal than it can be mutar only if it has סימני טהרה otherwise its assur.

    #2396076
    Gadolhadorah
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    What happens if Elon Musk is right and there are real people on Mars? Do we first have to confirm their hashkafah before considering how to use them in our favorite chulent recipe (presuming of course we can also obtain a top of the line chassideshe hashgacha from the shaliach to Mars).

    #2396081
    SchnitzelBigot
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    Depends on how you define “Ein Davar Tamei Yored Min Hashamayim”

    #2396105
    Mordechai Hayehudi
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    Why eat him, convince to get you the numbers of the lottery!!

    #2396108
    Mordechai Hayehudi
    Participant

    Why eat him, convince him to get you the numbers of the lottery!!

    #2396383
    ipchamistabra
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    Does HaLeiVi eat everything he meets? I would have thought that the question would be may we convert them and marry them?

    #2396433
    Little Froggie
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    If it fell down “For The Heaven”, then it’s Kosher.

    #2396463
    Kuvult
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    There can be no Geirus with an Alien.
    Only humans can convert (a human is defined as an earthly being with a soul).
    While an Alien could be like humans in everyway, that they’re not descendants of Adam and Eve means they have no Neshama & can’t convert.

    #2396535
    provaxx
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    Don’t you have anything better to do with your time? If you want something to eat, take a break from your beis medrash shteiging and go get a tuna beigel.

    #2396580

    Teiku

    #2396932
    akuperma
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    KuvultL What is your source that Ha-Shem never created people in other worlds (or universes)? And where does it say that only a human can convert?

    #2397508
    HaLeiVi
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    Akuperma, they are most likely not included in וזאת החיה אשר תאכלו. Although we know that בהמה בכלל חיה, that doesn’t apply to all living things, but just בהמה and חיה. In fact, the Pasuk spells out אשר על הארץ.

    Perhaps, if extra terrestrials can levitate then they can ve included in the broad term, עוף השמים, in which case they are certainly Kosher, not being mentioned in the list of 20. (Even if they are דורס it shouldn’t matter since those Simanim are merely an observation — by Noach, according to Tosafos — but not a Halacha.)

    If anything, you can say that they remain in the original prohibition of Adam Harishon, who wasn’t allowed to eat any living creature until Noach earned it by saving them. Extra terrestrial creatures were not part of that grant of לכם יהיה לאכלה.

    #2397509
    HaLeiVi
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    Fakenews, you never know … Every shocking episode came as a shock.

    Coffee Addict, those classifications of the four levels of material are not in the Torah and so they can’t have a bearing on Halachah.

    Ard, I did spell it out, and intentionally so.

    Honest Spirit, that would depend on how we get the Issue of אבר מן החי and how it was introduced. As for birds, being that it is 100% not of the twenty listed non-kosher birds there’d be no need for a Mesora. The Mesora concept came about because it became obvious that we can’t decide from instant observation. Such as the case of the תרנגול דאגמא.

    #2397510
    HaLeiVi
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    Gadolhadorah, you can apply that same question to what-if q cow becomes smart enough to express opinions.

    As for אין דבר טמא יורד מן שמים, does that apply to an Eagle?

    Mordechai, I don’t assume that they know the future. I doubt Sheidim know the lottery numbers. But even so, I can only threaten to eat him unless he tells me, if I can prove that he’s Kosher.

    #2397511
    HaLeiVi
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    Akuperma, it is surely מסתבר that only children or Adam can have the Bris Hatorah. After all, we have the Medrash of everyone being a part of Adam.

    #2397512
    HaLeiVi
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    Provaxx, is that complaint lodged at the content of my question or the fact that I visited this site? What would be an otherwise better use of the CoffeeRoom? You like Trump/Biden? Should I ask another question about Zionism and watch how fast the two extremes wish death upon the other?

    Yeah, I know that the Bal Chovos Halevavos didn’t have much patience for hyper theoretical questions, but then again, this is not where I come for a chavrusa.

    #2397690

    I would worry more whether their halocha allows them to eat us.

    #2397710
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Coffee Addict, those classifications of the four levels of material are not in the Torah and so they can’t have a bearing on Halachah.“

    What do you define as the “Torah”?

    #2398235

    >> Coffee Addict, those classifications of the four levels of material are not in the Torah
    > What do you define as the “Torah”?

    It is chochma. These 4 classes seem to originate with Aristotle – and he did not drink coffee,

    #2398270
    ard
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    the question of whether or not there are aliens was actually asked (stupidly) to a gadol, i believe the answer was that since the entire universe was created only for klal yisrael, if we do not know about aliens then they do not exist

    #2399310
    HaLeiVi
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    Ard, that’s a hard sell.

    There are tribes on thiw planet that we, or anyone for that matter, has ever heard of. How is that different?

    There are worlds and angels, multitudes of them, that hardly anyone in history has known of and that doesn’t contradict the doctrine of our centrality. Why would it matter whether they are material or ethereal? And why would planetary rocks make more sense than life?

    Rabbeini Saadya Gaon writes in his Emunos Vedeios that being that Hashem doesn’t exert any effort in His creating things, the question of why He created things falls away for the most part. Although He wouldn’t do something for no reason at all, it is not the same question as why He went through the effort of creating it.

    So, even if there is life and even if it is intelligent, perhaps He decided to prove some tiny point with their existence.

    I can hear an argument against fully intelligent creatures on a planer that would be unaware of Hashem, since that would be a form of ripping away a part of creation from the Source, whereas benign beings wouldn’t be that. This planet stands on foundations, causes for its being, which are תורה עבודה ןגמילות חסדים. What would they have?

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