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Planned obsoletion isn’t just in our phones in the hardware in just about everything it’s also in appliances. Has anyone noticed the horrid quality of appliances from ge and others. Ovens, hardware, stainless steel all at the same promise. All coating horrible prices. These ovens should cost 50 dollers for how badly they are made. Yet they charge the same price they did years ago. This is like a slow drip.
Welcome to the 1980s!!
This was already very widespread by the 1980s.
None2.0
Maybe you got a 2.0 in English….
There is no such thing as obsoletion!
The correct term is planned obsolescence!
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“All coating horrible prices.”
Another incomprehensible sentence.Do you mean the COST is horrible?
Why do you think the price is horrible? Is it because you are buying and not selling?Remember: billig vi tyre. Cheap is dear. Cheap goods cost more in the long run as they don’t last or work as well as quality goods.
Please get someone to proofread your posts and correct your grammar before subjecting us to them.
Yes, a lot of appliances break down right after the warranty expires – and they are built that way. In fairness, the prices are not as they were decades ago. If you compute prices as part of income, you will see that US prices for food and stuff are decreasing over time.
In terms of appliances, you will be better off not buying integrated ones. Buy separate dryer and washer – so when one breaks, you only buy one. If your fridge breaks but freezer is still working – buy 1 or 2 small stand-alone fridges and keep the old one for freezer.
You seem to be conflating a few concepts.
What you are experiencing is the intersection between planned obsolescence, offshoring, and shrinkflation.
It’s rough.I think it was ben Azzai who was thinking Hashem for so many people working hard to make his breakfasts – farmers, traders, marketers …
In our times, thank Hashem for chinese workers putting your phone together, American engineers planning obsolescence so that your fridge will be cheaper to make (and thus cheaper for you to buy in a competitive economy), for those who put money into retirement funds and thus indirectly invest in the most successful companies, making those companies to quickly get capital to create new fancy products for you. Literally, billions of people support your existence. Be grateful, do not complain and apply yourself to Torah and mitzvos. The same way, the cow gets fulfilled by your kosher eating it, the phone assembler gets fulfilled by you learning tosfos on that phone.
none > think some of these appliances should be 50 bucks everything is overpriced. I think a Jewish company should open and sell things by the actual price it should be or make quality products for same price
Gemorah already did this experiment: chachomim davened for Hashem to take yetzer harah away. Next day, nobody went to work, nobody got married, and even hens stopped laying eggs…
Most of these products are available from multiple companies. Is there fair competition? If there is, you can be sure you are getting good price. Otherwise, there will be a company with lower price. If the company is public, then you can read about their profit margins. You can also open your own company and sell things for cheaper. If you don’t have money, you can borrow from investors who will jump to get extra profit. This is how it works. So, rest assured that savings from using tighter specs are going to benefit you.
The main reason for overpricing would be lack of competition, such as government regulations (that is necessary in defense industry but rarely in others) and business constrains, such as cost of laying cable for the whole string leading to one dominant cable company. This can be sometimes remedied. For example, long-distance calls and phones themselves were part of AT&T monopoly – until they were separated by regulation.
none2.0: You seem to only recently have discovered the reality that Shrinkflation/Greedflation means lowering volume/quality and keeping the price the same (it’s kind of like boiling a frog).
Have you seen the (low) quality of Temu & Shein products?
If you want the quality that came standard in decades past you have to get from premium brands (and then you pay for both quality as well as the premium product).It seems that the invisible hand of the free market has discovered that too few people are willing to pay significantly more for a quality product that looks just like a similar product half the price. Not to mention the financial benefit (to the manufacturers and retailers) of planned obsolescence.
If you believe that market will bear higher prices for higher quality products, by all means, start up a manufacturing company.
I would expect certain issues to crop up along the way, but if you plan properly you can overcome them.The biggest barriers to entry will likely be: design (you will be designing your equipment from scratch at a non revenue generating phase of your business), funding (it can cost tens of millions of dollars to stand up a new factory for such products), brand recognition (people have preconceived notions about the quality of most existing companies, and tend to be distrustful of new companies they never heard of especially now that amazon is full of new brands that are just white labeled garbage being drop shipped from china), and market saturation (appliance stores and big box retailers are unlikely to give you shot easily).
Welcome to horrible vocabulary. I think you meant obsolescence
anonymous Jew & Ex-CTLawyer
Obsoletion according to Merriam-Webster:
obsoletion
in British English
(ˌɒbsəˈliːʃən IPA Pronunciation Guide )
noun
a rare word for obsolescence
Citation:
“Obsoletion.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster com/dictionary/obsoletion.According to the OED it has fewer than 0.01 occurrences per million words in modern written English and the earliest evidence for obsoletion is from 1804, in the writing of William Mitford, historian of ancient Greece.
Ironically, this would indicate that although the word obsoletion is itself relatively obsolete, it is in fact a word and instead of roasting none2.0 for his choice of diction let’s address his conflation of planned obsoletion with other phenomena.
All you need to do (and all you really can do) is compare existing brands/items and choose whatever can reasonably be expected to give you the best ROI. Try using resources like Consumers’ Reports and other independent reviewers, or for big items talk to repair workers and ask them what really lasts and what doesn’t.
none. Corporations compete with each other. They will reduce the price if this would increase their profits. This is proven during last couple of centuries of capitalism.
of course, this presumes that markets work. When would markets fail?
1) government not allowing competition
This has some effect on fridges due to recent regulations on increase energy efficiency and such. This increases costs.2) lack of information.
This might play a role: if consumers do not get information about total ownership costs and obsolescence. For that, you performed public service by making us all think about the issue. Next step – collect solid statistics comparing reliability and costs for different models and publicize it.none2.0
To answer your last question first, yes you are wrong.
For the most part the problem is that people still want to pay $75 for a microwave and $650 for a refrigerator.
The cost of components is up, the cost of labor is up, the cost of freight is up, and the cost of interest is.
How do you expect them to make the same product for the same price?To answer you previous statement:
What relevance is there to whether the corporation is Jewish?
Everyone in business is out to make a buck, no one is going to spend millions to start manufacturing quality appliances if they aren’t going to see a significant ROI (even if they are jewish).
As far as cars go, I’m beginning to wonder whether you are entirely deluded, too trusting of random people giving you wrong information, or just trolling. You couldn’t buy the raw materials to build a car for $300, let alone actually run all the heavy machinery necessary to turn those materials into cars. Just the paint on your car cost the manufacturer more than that.And you point about slavery is just off.
fake > what relevance is there to whether the corporation is Jewish?
of course, it does. We have commandments and we are also enabling kiddush/hillul Hashem by our actions. Now, if you are a CEO of a public corporation, then you have a contract with the shareholder to maximize their value. So, if you want to be meshurat hadin, you would need agreement of the Board.
There was, I think, a textile factory in the 1990s with a frum owner that paid his workers for many months after his factory burnt and also rebuilt the factory – that generated a lot of kiddush Hashem with the press. All Jews in business are observed by others, sometimes with ayn tov, sometimes rah.
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