Reply To: Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch and the IDF (Israeli Army)

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yankel berel:
You and the Zionists could start by responding to the calling out of all the sheker and heresy you’ve spewed on these boards.

Regarding your points:
It makes no practical difference if the Tur does or does not bring that Maharal. He doesn’t rule against the Maharal. And we still know very clearly, from poskim throughout the ages and from the terrible instances of destruction of Jews like harugei beithar, that the three oaths are G-d’s will and very much in effect.

No, Zionist idolatry is the result of a disconnection from G-d. The medrash states explicitly that harugei beithar was due to their having violated the oaths. Don’t be a kofer.

Nope. The clear reality of what the Middle East is now, if anything, provides more opportunity than in the past for the Zionist “State” to be handed over to Esav, or some other solution, that does not involve loss of anything other than that idol and its numerous problems and astronomical waste of money.

Nope. There is no “factual and clear evidence” of that sort. All the gedolim (as recently as like yesterday, as it happens) have confirmed that it is absolutely forbidden for Jews to join the Zionist shmad army. LBC”L, Rav Steinman told a boy who came to him that he guarantees him that if the boy joins that shmad army, no matter the framework, that he will come out of it “a total goy”! And you idolaters refuse to acknowledge the reality that the express purpose of that shmad army is to shmad Jews, to convert Jews and Judaism into Zionists and idolatrous godless Zionism. So even if it were true that some infinitesimally percentage seem to come out frum, against all odds, that doesn’t at all permit others to put themselves in that situation. It is forbidden to place one’s self in a place of nisayon. We pray each day to save ourselves from that. And on and on…

There is not such “clear evidence that the majority of haredei talmidei hahamim …” rejected the oaths as the source of any punishment. You would have to quote where they explicitly deny that the oaths were the cause, and you obviously cannot do that because that simply isn’t true. You’re simply assuming.

Again, nope. See Biayos haZman, for example. Rav Reuven there wrote that he doesn’t “come on to” the oaths because there are other halachic considerations that are even more obvious.

It is the idolatrous Zionists who think they understand the Torah better than all the gedolim who explicitly forbade Zionism including “Religious Zionism”.

But they have no answer, of course. Eileh elohecha tziyonim.