Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch and the IDF (Israeli Army)

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  • #2431173
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    This is from a recent news article,
    written by Yehuda Dov for VIN News:

    “As revealed in Lechatchila, two avreichim from the
    Haredi community in Tiberias, studying at a local kollel,
    approached Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch, head of the Slabodka Yeshiva,
    sharing that they felt spiritually unfulfilled and were under
    severe financial stress due to recent sanctions on yeshiva students.

    Rabbi [Moshe Hillel] Hirsch reportedly listened and ruled that
    in their situation, it was permissible to enlist [in the Israeli Army / IDF].”

    SOURCE: article titled: “DRAMA: 120 Bochurim From
    Top Charedi Yeshivos Have Recently Enlisted In IDF

    by Yehuda Dov, 2025 July 23 @ 7:30 AM, for VIN News in Jerusalem

    #2431419
    Haimy
    Participant

    Dear Square Root,
    You are obsessed with the subject of Chareidim vs the State of Israel. Why is this so important to you?
    Do you live in Israel?
    Why is your approximate age?, marital status? Employment status? Religious & family background?
    Please provide us with the background of your life circumstances so that we can better understand your opinions & posts here.
    What are your life goals? What are you goals as a contributor to the coffee room?
    By giving us a bio of your life, we will be able to appreciate your perspective & answer you more effectively.

    Sincerely,

    Haimy

    #2431422
    ujm
    Participant

    Certified Bubbe Maaisa.

    #2431489
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @square root

    the gzera of enlistment of the yeshiva boys is terrible,

    and everything possible should done to stop it.

    the effect of this blatant attack on Judaism will in the long term have dreaded repercussions

    this gzera is clearly illegal according to the medina’s own laws.

    this should be stopped in its tracks straight away
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    #2431615

    yankel berel, we went a long way from complaining about prosecutions in our history – murders, limiting employment, unfair taxation – to complaining about the government requiring the community to perform at least some of their civil duty – work and defend against the enemies.

    I understand the ideal of wanting to have a community that is all about Torah learning, but you have to be realistic, and “realistic” means behaving according to halachik norms in the situation Hashem put us. Say, you were to live in China – would you demand Chinese government to provide you with a stipend and a police force? Then, why you are demanding the same from Jews, whom you do not respect and who are not always willing to support you?
    This is just no ehrlich. How do you call a person who forcibly extract money from another? Furthermore, I do not even understand the motivation – Hashem gives us mitzvos, why would I want to risk my olam haboh by refusing to defend, to fulfil my ketubah and by creating this terrible strife in a Jewish country. Maybe try to meet your requirements at least part of the way and see how it feels.

    #2431715
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This is for Haimy:

    __________________________________________

    No one (including me) would attack the Kanoim
    if only they would keep their big mouths shut.

    They run around criticizing everyone (except for themselves, of course)
    and spewing hatred for everyone, while also using VERY provocative
    and insensitive words, and then they whine when they are hated in return.

    When I first came to this web site,
    I had no intention of attacking the Kanoim.

    As the weeks turning into months,
    I began to notice that Kanoim
    were attacking “The Zionists” relentlessly,
    and at every possible opportunity.
    Still, I had no intention of attacking the Kanoim.

    As many months passed by, the relentless attacks by the Kanoim
    began to anger me. They repeatedly disrespected not only
    Secular Zionists, but even the Religious Zionists!

    By doing this, they transformed me from a neutral observer,
    into a permanent enemy.
    The Kanoim never stop their stupid,
    ignorant, wicked attacks, and I will never stop
    using facts and logic to prove that they are WRONG.

    Additionally, the constant, relentless, never-ending attacks of the Kanoim
    have caused me to HATE Chareidim and Chareidi-ism and they also
    lowered my opinion of the Chareidi Gedolim, especially The Satmar Rebbe.

    If the Kanoim would stop their relentless, attacks against
    both Secular and Religious Zionists, then I would stop also.
    But they NEVER shut their mouths, so I also never stop
    using facts and logic to refute their never-ending false accusations.

    MARK MY WORDS: The Kanoim are pushing The Jewish People
    in the direction of a JEWISH CIVIL WAR, with Jews shooting
    at each other and intentionally killing each other.

    After 120 years, The Heavenly Court will blame THE KANOIM
    for the bloody JEWISH CIVIL WAR, because they caused it.
    They will go to Gehinom – FOREVER!!!

    PS: The Kanoim are: HaKatan, UJM and SomeJewIKnow.

    #2431771
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    I’m sure these were fine fine bucherim. and the rosh yeshiva heard their cries of “we’re so unfulfilled serving Hashem, maybe we can server other gods?”, and the venerable Rosh Hayeshiva said to them with loving eyes, “yes, you may join the forces of evil and cause more bloodshed. go forth and bring violence to the world!”

    I recall hearing that at his Shalosh Seudos tish in the Yeshiva, Rabbi Hirsh called out “Come and hear the new path! the salve for anyone who feels moderate discomfort in the study halls: grab a gun and risk your life for political power. This is the Torah (sic) way! This is how we shall send our children to die al kiddush Hashem(sic)! And then, no one will ever dare suffer ‘spiritual unfulfillment’ or ”financial hardships’.”

    Yes this was all supposedly by his Shalosh Seudos tish, as reported by very very charedi Rabbi Yonatan Even-Hapina, a prolific online commentator and avid artscroll reader. It’s a shame his brilliant reporting was not sourced as I would love to interview the bucherim.

    Oh, never mind, they died in battle. No, not the battle with the yetzer hureh, they died because the zionist commander sent them on a suicide mission as the state needed some tragic headlines to put pressure on the USA for better bomb support. Unfortunately news of their deaths didn’t get picked up in the press, but the good news is there are many more soldiers waiting in line for their next orders, so we can expect the bomb agreement eventually.

    /s

    #2432077
    Haimy
    Participant

    Square Root,

    Why does it bother you if a few anonymous people post anti zionist opinions online? Are they influencing anyone else? Are you influencing anyone by posting multiple pro zionist quotes daily?
    The world is a free place where people share opinions they hold dear. The Satmar Rov was a big person who held that zionism is a form of avoda Zara & caused the holocaust. If your Mesora is different, you can follow your mesora, Why should you care if other people think differently than you?
    Something is motivating you to spend all this time & mental energy posting here. What do you get out of it?

    #2432089
    HaKatan
    Participant

    SQUARE_ROOT:
    If somebody were to endlessly spew propaganda for Jews for J, any normal Jew would answer that propaganda to prevent others from falling prey to idolatry and lies. Same here. Your hate should be directed to the wicked Zionists who have destroyed generations of Jews. But your idolatry tells you otherwise. So drop the idol.

    #2432114

    somejew sarcasm notwithstanding, there is contradiction of a Rav giving a public plsak for the community and then a different psak for individuals.

    I was told personally by someone whose son was in a very anti-college yeshiva in Yerushalaim. When his son asked the Rav privately, the rav did not object to this lamdan to go to college. Same is reported by R Lau – he was in R Auerbach yeshiva where there were no limudei chol, but upon insistence of R Lau’s uncle, R Auerbach allowed R Lau to study on his own in preparation for bagrut and even chastised him for lack of enthusiasm in learning sciences.

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