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@somejewiknow:

“you are missing the key point that being zionist is specifically לועג על דברי חכמים.”

This is not true and you know it.

“Claiming that any zionist (especially a RZ galach) brought someone closer to Torah is like claiming the Mitzrim got the Jews to really daven. We cannot possibly know how great the damage being done by every money paid by zionists into otherwise kosher institutions. Nonetheless, we can be certain that we Jews would be better off if they had never started their war against Judaism, and we can be certain that we would be better off if they would disappear today, just as we daven three times a day for their quick peaceful downfall and destruction.”

You posted this two days before Tisha B’Av? And you called RZ Rabbonim a term used for priests? Seriously? You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are literally the reason why we mourn today. It is exactly this unspeakable, implacably obscene hatred that you, ujm and HaKatan has toward the RZ, MO and non-orthodox communities that is the cause of everything.

We’d can be sure we’d be better off if the entire Charedi and Chassidish Tzibburim publicly admitted their past positions toward Zionism were a Hora’as sha’ah that are no longer relevant and instead joined the rest of the Orthodox Tzibbur, got jobs, helped the RZ community turn the IDF into something respectable and paid taxes like they are supposed to. We’d also be better off the RZ and MO communities stopped compromising on Orthodox values to please their non-Orthodox and gentile neighbors, coworkers, colleagues, etc. And we’d be better off if the non-Orthodox communities just admitted they are essentailly bagel flavored progressivism and not attempt to speak for Judaism.

By the way, the position of blaming anything and everything on Zionism and Zionists sounds a lot like the Judenhasse gentiles express toward Am Yisrael.