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July 27, 2025 9:56 am at 9:56 am #2429945ZushyParticipant
There seems to be some serious confusion here about a few slightly overlapping sugyas
ארץ ישראל, the mitzvah of יישוב ארץ ישראל, the אהבת הארץ the אחריות that בני חוץ לארץ took in various generations to encourage and suuport יושבי ארץ ישראל
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The country who territoral borders cover half ארץ המובטחת and a large amount of land South
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The unlimited אחריות and אחוה that all Yidden ahve for each other independent of were they live
I’m confused about how quotes about the Sar Hatorah זצוק”ל and his tremendous priority on יישוב הארץ
or Quotes about Rabbi Sherer and his unbeleivable אחריות to Jews in literally every single place in the globe – including his nonfrum Zionist brethenAnd many earlier gedolim and their אהבת הארץ
somehow prove something about the state?
July 27, 2025 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #2430049somejewiknowParticipantit’s intentional mixing of the profane with the holy to promote the heresy of zionism and the kashering of rashoyim and their evil action.
bottom line, there is nothing “Jewish” about the zionist state, certainly nothing more Jewish than New York State or Lebanon. But, by pushing the propaganda that “Israel” a G-dless rebirth of the Jewish Nation, the ONLY “Jewish” nation in the world, Zionist achieve their goal of being fully “poreik ol” and feeling good about their secular Jewish identity (or even worse their Religious identity) as being really “moser nefesh” for the Jewish people vs those silly gulis yidden who just daven and learn Torah and turn to Hashem to save them.
Zionism is about “self-realization”. L’havdil, Judaism is about “Divine-realization”
July 27, 2025 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #2430103SQUARE_ROOTParticipantZushy said:
“….somehow prove something about the state?”
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What those quotes prove is that relentless attacks
against The State of Israel and against “The Zionists”
are a very big mistake.Certain people in this Coffee Room never stop
attacking The State of Israel and never stop
attacking “The Zionists”.Those never-ending attacks are a very big mistake,
and only cause Jews to HATE EACH OTHER
more than before, and they also push us closer
to a JEWISH CIVIL WAR, with Jews killing other Jews.Those relentless attacks against The State of Israel
and against “The Zionists” are NOT a mitzvah;
they are motivated by The Satan, who wants
Jews to HATE EACH OTHER more than before.Those relentless attacks against The State of Israel
and against “The Zionists” are NOT a mitzvah;
they are motivated by The Satan, who wants
to push Jews into to a JEWISH CIVIL WAR, with
Jews shooting at Jews and Jews killing other Jews.The Satan knows what Chazal teach:
The Jewish people will not be redeemed until
they become UNITED. So the Satan constantly
pushes the anti-Zionists into never-ending attacks
against “The Zionists” and against the world’s
only Jewish State, The State of Israel.This never-ending lack of unity blocks Jews from being redeemed.
So long as anti-Zionists constantly attack “The Zionists”
and The State of Israel, the redemption can never come,
because Jews are very far from the unity that is requited for redemption. -
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