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It is strange to me that you find what I (or @ujm or @hakatan) are saying is novel. Our stance is not just mainstream amongst the teachings of Gedolim, if you accept the “OTD” lines drawn by those gedolim, the stance is unanimous. In other words, if you accept any of the Steipler, the Chazon Ish, the Brisker Ruv, Rav Elchunon Wassermen, Rav Kotler, Rav Vosner, Rav Elyashiv, the Beis Yisroel, etc. as the “gold standard” of Torah mesorah, they have all said – some more gentle than others – that “dati leumi” is rooted in kefira and just another unfortunate form of moshiach sheker just like Reform, Yashkeh, etc.

This is why there is no specific rejection of Vayoel Moshe because the fundamentals are agreed upon by all “charedim” across our camps (despite the clear dissent of some to pursue questionable “hora’as shueh’s”).

I think I saw it from Maharam Shick zy”a that said that he wishes he had the power to separate out real yiddishkeit as a distinctly different religion than “reform” in the mind of the public and have its crooked followers at least stop claiming their heresy was “Jewish” as the previous Gedolim were successful to do under the rebellion that from Xtianity. Certainly, with the infringement of “dati leumi” kefira today, we are in even more dire straits, H”Y.

In any case, I don’t understand why you are surprised that I express the Torah from these many gedolim regarding this threat.