Reply To: The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta

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@ SJ

You wrote: “I’m not sure what your cryptic criticism is about my use of the terms “masis” and “madiach”. Please explain what I got wrong.”

1) You called YB a masis u’ madiach.

2) I asked you what grounds you have ffor calling him a mu”m

3) You responded: because NK is a/the public vocal face of tochocheh against the heresy of zionism that is targeting the sheomrei torah umitzvos communities. So, actively undermining the messengers that are trying remove heresy MIGHT be as guilty as trying to promote the heresy amongst yidden, hence masis imadiach.

This proposition of yours is problematic on both Halachic and logical grounds

Halachic: Your proposition has no basis in Halacha. Do you have any Posek who applies the status of mu”m the way that you did? Do you have proofs from Chazal and Rishonim to apply the status of mu”m in a way that you did?

2nd Logical: According to to your reasoning if terrorists or neo nazis would publicly attack Zionism then someone who speaks against such terrorists or neo nazis would be a mu”m because they are actively undermining the messengers that are trying remove heresy. This is absurd.