The Steipler Gaon on Zionism and on the Neteurei Karta

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  • #2463568
    yankel berel
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    clear from the steiplers letter that he is referring to edah hacharedit , and

    not to participants in holocaust denying conferences , nor to participants in PLO demonstrations in the 1970’s
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    #2463586
    Non Political
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    @ SR
    “And that is how UJM and HaKatan win debates”

    Which debates do you think they won? Who conceded?

    @ SJ
    ” your baseless claims against a group of apparently kosher yidden is not only dishonest, but motzi shem ra. It is possibly also masis imadiach”

    YB has been doing an excellent job of both (1) eloquently presenting the mainstream chareidi position on the issues under discussion and (2) laying bare your mistakes. At the same time, nowhere has he promoted Zionism. So, how exactly is he, even l’daatcha a masis u’madiach?

    #2463784
    Yaakov Yosef A
    Participant

    ujm- Yaakov: You can read for yourself what the Steipler Gaon said in high praise of the Neteurei Karta, as written in קריינא דאיגרתא, and directly quoted above in the Opening Post of this thread.

    I read it, as did Yankel Berel and everyone else…

    The first thing I wrote on this thread seems to have slipped under your radar, so I will repeat it here:

    There is a teshuva in Teshuvos HaRashba that says that the butcher store located at a certain address in Barcelona is certainly Kosher. If you happen to be in Barcelona, you know where you can go to pick up Kosher meat with the Hechsher of no less than the Rashba himself…

    Now, try and think about the connection between the letter of the Rashba and the letter of the Steipler… And why it is ridiculous to take letters of Gedolim from generations ago and cut-paste to different people in different times doing different things, even if they happen to go by the same name.

    #2463787
    Yaakov Yosef A
    Participant

    ujm – Let me ask you a question. What do the contemporary ממשיכים of the Steipler, i.e. Reb Chaim zt”l and his family, and the living Takmidim of the Steipler and Reb Chaim, have to say about the contemporary Neturei Karta? You know the answer, you are just playing games with cutting and pasting old letters out of context. There are many people alive who knew the Steipler and know exactly what he held. Go ask them…

    #2464037
    ujm
    Participant

    Yaakov: You must’ve missed my post on the previous page of this thread where I pointed out that the Neteurei Karta — in the time of the Steipler Gaon — joined a protest with the Palestinian Liberation Organization headed by Yasser Arafat — at the United Nations.

    And — yet — the Steipler Gaon wrote what he wrote, in high praise of the Neteurei Karta, despite that fact.

    The Neteurei Karta in the time of the Steipler Gaon was just as kanoish as they are today.

    #2464041
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Yaakov Yosef A said this to UJM:

    “What do the contemporary ממשיכים of the Steipler,
    i.e. Reb Chaim zt”l and his family, and the living Talmidim
    of the Steipler and Reb Chaim, have to say about the
    contemporary Neturei Karta?

    You know the answer, you are just playing games
    with cutting and pasting old letters out of context.

    There are many people alive who knew the Steipler
    and know exactly what he held. Go ask them…”

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    MY RESPONSE:

    This illustrates why UJM has been repeatedly accused
    of being a BIG TROLL, right here in the YWN Coffee Room.

    #2464052
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @yakov yosef

    bet you that ujm will not answer ….
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    #2464302
    ujm
    Participant

    Yankel: You lost your bet before you even made it.

    #2464410
    Yaakov Yosef A
    Participant

    ujm – I could ask you for the date of the letter you repeatedly quote, which for some reason is missing… But it isn’t necessary to even go there. Just go ask the living talmidim of the Steipler what he held about demonstrating with the PLO… For that matter, go ask the living talmidim of the Divrei Yoel what HE held about demonstrating with Palestinians… What is the point of your games?

    #2464437
    Non Political
    Participant

    I’m still waiting to hear from SJ why, according to him, YB is a massis u’medeich.

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