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January 21, 2026 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #2501853Yaakov Yosef AParticipant
A number of regular commenters in the Coffee Room have repeatedly expressed the following ideas:
1. Most or all of contemporary non-Frum Jews are Mumarim, Kofrim, etc. despite knowing little or nothing about Yiddishkeit and often being fed constant incitement against Yiddishkeit (through Israeli public school and media, or in Chutz Laaretz through non-Orthodox “denominations” and total immersion in Goyish culture and ideas from the cradle.)
2. That when חז״ל say a מחלל שבת בפרהסיא דינו כגוי it means he literally IS a גוי, not simply that we treat him AS IF he was a גוי FOR CERTAIN PEUPOSES ONLY.
3. That all of the aforementioned Kofrim, plus many or most of the Frum Jews who aren’t holy enough, will soon be killed in preparation for the Geulah במהרה בימינו.
4. Therefore there is no obligation to even TRY to be מקרב anyone, or even CARE about anyone who isn’t Frum, maybe even someone who IS Frum but has krum hashkafos.
My questions for you (you know who you are):
Do you think you yourselves are in the top 7,000 members of Klal Yisroel or whatever your numbers are?
Do you at least get up at חצות and cry and mourn that so many einiklach of Avrohom Yitzchok and Yaakov are so far gone, and cry and daven with copious tears that they should do Teshuva? (Something the Divrei Yoel, Minchas Elazar, and other tzadikkim were known to do.) Or is that also Assur? Or do you just not care and finished?
If you were a Hatzalah volunteer, and a non-Frum Jew was having a heart attack ר״ל, would you really and truly be מורידין ולא מעלין, or would you (at LEAST) say ספק פיקוח נפש להחמיר when you have BOTH a פלוגתא דרבוותא and a ספק במציאות? Can you NAME ANY POSEK WHATSOEVER who would Pasken to literally leave the person to die?
If you can’t give a straight answer to those questions, then you need to ask yourselves some questions.
January 21, 2026 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #2501982SQUARE_ROOTParticipantYaakov Yosef A, I thank you for sharing your accurate facts and valid logic.
Yaakov Yosef A, I thank you for speaking the truth to people who need to hear it.
May G*D always grant you health any happiness.
January 21, 2026 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #2501991Yaakov Yosef AParticipantA few more questions.
How was the First Beis Hamikdash destroyed because Jews did Avoda Zara? According to you, as soon as someone did AZ (kal vachomer from chilul Shabbos), he would be erased from Klal Yisroel and not count towards ערבות or anything else. Klal Yisroel would simply be the sum total of whoever didn’t do AZ or Chilul Shabbos. So how do we see the Neviim giving Mussar to these people (probably including your great-great-zaidie and bubbie) who you don’t consider to be Jews? Sort of like no OTD in Satmar because anyone OTD isn’t Satmar… No AZ in Klal Yisroel because anyone doing AZ isn’t Klal Yisroel… Except it didn’t work that way then, even though then everyone knew better and they had a Sanhedrin and Neviim and Malchus Bais Dovid. But NOW, when רובא דרובא of those born Jewish are confused or clueless about basic Emunah, including many Frum people, you think it does work that way… פלאי פלאים נורא נוראות…
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