Who is a Jew?

How bout we treat each person with respect despite his status.
When it says “treat others as you treat yourself” it didn’t say only your own kind
When it says treat a stranger (anyone different then you)
With decency it didn’t mean your own kind
When it said “do not steal” it didn’t say only from your own kind
Please stop being elitist. Erase difference from your mind and realize every person is exactly the same
We all die the same and breathe the same air.

I recomend you guys sometimes not to limit yourself just with original hebrew writing which I will learn one day, because by reading translations you are reading other interpretations which forms more rounded view.

I cannot say whether The Jew in Torah is Yehudi as a member of tribe of Judah. But then explain why united kingdom of israel and Judah there was, instead of telling me this complete modern hallucinations that completely different words in holy text where not a single dot is put without a purpose in your opinion you dare to dispute the sacredness oh holy text where every word has meaning and even different number, in your opinion is devalued to the point that these words are synonymous.

1. law for jews about fellow hebrews is this. Fellow hebrew must be released from a binding contract after 7 years. Not a single more laws for hebrews I recall

Now specific laws for moses chosen people Israelites.

. Israelites do not wear tattoos.

Israelites must bury their excrement in forests because G-d walks in forest. And they have to carry a small shovel for this specific purpose.

Israelites has to be lended money without interest.

It is not written that tattoes are forbidden for anybody else bound by Torah, than israelites.

NO there are no words in Torah that are written in completely different fashion and are allowed to be considered synonymous in Torah.

What you might be saying is that perhaps current modern understanding of WTF is The Jew went so meaningless in Torah Sense that now nobody makes considerable differentiation about wtf is a jew which is the exact problem why antisemitism is impossible to combat, when nobody knows what is a jew anymore. Tribe of Judah that was half of kingdom of israel and judah. I is totally ignored as to have actually existed and separated themselves by a political border from israel.

Now what is Israel? To me it is based on Yakub Israel.

why moses named his chosen people israelites? Perhaps because he though. His chosen people. were captured from Yakub Israel. And even G-d only spared moses chosen people just because moses asked to be killed with them. So G-d only spared moses chosen people just because G-d did not want to kill moses. Moses to Him was more precious than entire mass of Israelites.

Among the people moses brought from Egypt during all the Israelites stupidies by the mount Sinai differed a kind of people which probably moses called Levites. Be ware this is not a tribe. I read in one yeshiva. that Levite is mental statr that people of any origin manages to become. Which makes sense because there in Torah Kohanim laws there is one interesting law that stands out about levites, which is,

Uncircumcised Levites are not allowed to serve in Temple.

Because biologically it would not be possible for anyone else to carry an ark Aroumd Jericho for 7 days if you are not completly mental and in affect state. I can tell you by my own biohacking that it is technically possible for a man to go on for 7 days nonstop, but he has to be completly mental. and as yeshiva explained Levites just does not do accounting like normal people their days are of different durations their eating cycles are of different durations, and they dont even personally care to own anything, therefore they personally not allowed to to own land on paper.

V32itas
Don’t forget the 10 cardinal sins
Do not steal
Do not murder
Stop adding things that were not there
These are the ten morals of _reality_ stop giving yourself a licence to do things that God said you should not do

And yes there is consequences to cheating. It’s a terrible morally corrupt thing to do not just because a person goes outside their marriages but it _physically_ corrupts a woman on a physical level and harms the entire society cuz she becomes an actual curse among her people and it also impacts her children. Yes there are real consequences to all corrupt action. Everything written in the book is written about the consequences of reality. Everything in there is exactly what happens to a person that makes mistakes and what to do about it. It wasnt a joke when it said do not steal. Do not murder. All these break down a person in terrible ways and also affects society. None of what is written. Is a joke. It is the moral blueprint of reality

@YYA

If that was meant literally, then that means he held of his יישוב of the Maharal הלכה למעשה. The Divrei Yoel had the right to learn pshat however he saw fit. He also knew how to read the Shulchan Aruch. There were other Poskim who disagreed (at least with this part of his Shittah.)
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That was not the issue I raised

I never questioned SR ‘right’ to learn pshat as he saw fit …

nor did I ever question SR’s ability to learn Sh’A …

the question I raise is for us , how can WE follow SR in paskaning that p/n is not doche the shavu’ot

with the result [if the circumstances align] that it is better to chvsh lose all inhabitants in EY than to have the IDF defend their lives

when the pashtut of shulchan aruch and poskim is to the opposite ?

where else , in what other area in torah do we arrive at a maskana halacha lemaaseh

with such a type of mehalech or procedure ?
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dont forget even if maharal is halacha lemaaseh

which is very difficult to accept

we still have to jump through lots of hoops to arrive at a yehareig veal yaavor psak in the case of IDF fighting to preserve the jews in EY

1] who said in definite way that the shavu’ot have not expired at the end of elef hachamishi – like the pashtut in r chaim vital

2] who said in a definite way that haskamat ha’ umot is not a heter [like avnei nezer maintains] and that the league of nations mandate or the 1947 UN vote qualify as haskama

3] who said in a definite way that notwithstanding that the question we are dealing with is not the ESTABLISHMENT of the medina , but rather its MERE EXISTENCE ex post facto ,this is still a violation of the shavu’ot [like the steipeler in karyane de igrata maintains] …

in order to arrive at a yehareig veal yaavor psak you will have to answer with a DEFINITE answer to all of the above questions

otherwise it is a safek nefashot

and even after a definite answer to all questions

you have to discount the pashtut in sh’a ,tur, yad etc etc which mandates saving lives

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Yaakove yosef again your so rude. Us versus them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You clearly like being a sheep.

Also I want you to understand when you say that first off your saying Jewish people can’t think for themsleves and have their own opinions that come from their own experiences. Everyone has to think one way. Interesting so we don’t have individual brains, individual lives, individual understanding. So criticL thinking is not allowed. Person viewpoints not allowed. What a straight jacket to live in. Thanks for othering everyone that’s not you and “your” way that mentality is very, carpamentalizing and strict I wonder how you breathe properly if you can only breathe when it fits your box 100 percent do you close your eyes and shut everyone down when they disagree with you. I thought judism is the best religion. The kindest religion the religion you can ask the most “questions” oh oops you can’t think anything other then the status qoa otherwise your not part of the “in” group. See what your doing. Othering people. Not just that your trying to control the narrative. Sounds like another version of “liberalism” just another color with different belief systems. Are you part of a cult or you are but don’t even realize it.

Just to enlighten you further: “People who expect uniform belief and reject critical thinking often exhibit traits of authoritarianism, ideological rigidity, or groupthink. They may view dissent not as a healthy part of discourse but as a personal betrayal or threat to group cohesion. This mindset is commonly seen in closed communities, cult-like environments, or highly polarized social circles where conformity is enforced through social pressure, exclusion, or shaming.

Such individuals often project their own insecurities onto others, interpreting critical thinking as opposition rather than inquiry. As noted in psychological research, this behavior can stem from a defense mechanism known as projection, where people attribute their own flaws or doubts to others. In these cases, criticism is not seen as constructive but as a challenge to the group’s perceived truth or authority.

When someone says “you’re not one of us” for using critical thinking, it signals that the group values uncritical loyalty over independent thought. This creates a false dichotomy: either you fully accept the group’s beliefs without question, or you are cast out. As one Reddit user noted, such people often see themselves as “teachers” with absolute authority, dismissing alternative views as stupidity or moral failure”

Stop censuring people. Thanks

Yaakov yosef. I don’t know who asked you to be the police men. I wasn’t talking anything “anti Jewish” you just don’t like difference of oppion. Which is very rude to shut people down like that everything I said was based on common sense and morality and hard earned real life wisdom. If that’s anti -jewish and you need to shut that down cuz it doesn’t conform to your control _lifestyle_, that’s just wrong. Stop shitting people down even when they speak and have regular conversations we are speaking about morality and human concepts. I didn’t know there’s a rulebook againts all that. Stop being rude

There’s plenty of “goyish” secular “Jewish”
Again superiority complex at its finest.
Morality and common sense, the concepts that I was literally talking about are not religious concepts they are human concepts. If you need to shut down, carpamentlize and claim that morality is anti “Jewish” and “goyish” your in the wrong religion.

Another point: Elitism and censorship often intersect when ruling groups, or elites, suppress information to maintain power, control narratives, and define cultural, political, or social norms. Elites, believed to possess superior qualifications, may use censorship to exclude opposing views or alternative perspectives. This suppression can take the form of book bans, media control, or digital restrictions, ultimately limiting free expression and reducing public discourse to authorized viewpoints.
Key Aspects of Elitism and Censorship:
Power Consolidation: Censorship is frequently employed by elites to protect their authority and suppress dissenting voices, particularly in authoritarian regimes.
Cultural and Intellectual Control: Elitism can manifest in determining what constitutes “high” culture or worthy knowledge, leading to the marginalization or suppression of alternative viewpoints.
Information Management: Elites may act as gatekeepers, selecting, altering, or destroying information that contradicts their narrative or interests.
Impact on Society: Censorship enforced by elite structures can hinder critical thinking, limit access to diverse perspectives, and stifle social, political, or artistic expression.

Don’t be an elitist and stop censuring everybody. You can’t control the narrative. Everyone is entitled to their own oppion even if it contradicts yours. You cannot learn and grow if only one narrative is allowed. That’s like saying only people with brown hair can exist. Not everyone has brown hair. That doesn’t give you a right to “other” people. Carpamentalize, or censure them. We are talking about human concepts and just like you have a right to speak….so do I.

Sacts I hear you but that means your forcing everyone to conform to your way of thinking. “This is how we think” “you can only argue this way” “Orthodox jews think this way”
We are all individuals tho we all have our own experiences and our own thoughts. See how controlling your narrative is?
I literally brought the most basic common sense to the table and you won’t have it cuz it doesn’t conform to the strict box of your beliefs system.
Again nothing I said was “Christian” they are human common sense. Put away your ruler for a second. Put away your controlled thinking. When you live everyday life these concepts apply. They are the foundation of biblical thinking…these are not Christian, or religious. Your using that as an excuse to shut down the conversation.
Let’s say you worked in the damn factory and you needed an instruction manual on how to work in the factory and everybody was compelled disconnected from reality and doing things the wrong way…..I’m talking about living in reality with wisdom. This has nothing to do with religion or “Christianity* or a certain way of thinking..
Please stop censuring me and telling me how to think

Essentially what your saying which stems from fear and imitutirity (yep you don’t know what being a real adult is)
“You have to think like us otherwise you can’t be part of our group”
Is that really a healthy normal way of thinking or is that “cliquey” and imiture
“You have to dress like us or you can’t be here”
That’s first of all a very rude way to treat people and it’s not realistic.
Please grow up

YYA

How could participating in the behirot of the medina be yehareig veal yaavor when the actions of the IDF itself are not

something does not add up in your portrayal of the shitah of the SR

in any case , my post was not addressing the SR perse

I am referring to what every satmar, from poster on yeshivaworld , to the pashute man in the street to the dayan who gave shiurim on vayoel moshe

say : that p/n is not docheh the shavu’ot

I would be willing to yield to you re the shitah of SR personally that he held that p/n is docheh the shavu’ot

but then my question from the start of this post comes back

and secondly — how come all satmar hasidim themselves say not like you ???

where did they get it from ?

all signs seem to point that SR himself held that p/n is not doche the shavu’ot

where am I going wrong in my logic ?

There are oppinions that are right and oppinions that are wrong but as sovereign human beings everyone has a _right_ to have an opinion and as a basic human being a person has no right to censure others and shut them down because of their opinion or get them thrown off chats or act like a police men. If you disagree with an opinion you can argue against it not act like someone needs to be thrown out because of it.