How Did Shimon End Up In The Aseres HaShevatim?

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    WolfishMusings
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    Shimon’s territory consisted of isolated cities within Yehuda. So how did it come to be that Shimon ended up with the Aseres HaShevatim? Did they all pick up and leave their ancestral lands when the kingdom split? Were they somehow a set of northern enclaves within Yehuda? And if so, how did it end up that they were exiled with the shevatim by the Assyrians?

    The Wolf

    #2506039
    DOEYeshiva
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    They were teachers of young children, according to Rashi in Yehoshua. Many of them moved up north to teach.

    #2506251
    Rava
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    #2506384
    ujm
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    Welcome back, Reb Wolf! (You’ll always be Reb to me.)

    It’s good to “see” you again.

    #2527277
    rescue
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    Thw shevatim represent every month of the year. When you were born is which “shevet” you are part of. The shavatim flags represents the constelations of the month of the year
    If you look of personality of specific shevatim, or “purpous” you will see peoples months align with their nature.

    #2527278
    rescue
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    When it talks about mashiach being the “tribe of Judah” it was talking about a personality figure more then anything.
    Tribe of Judah, represents an entire constalation of specific personality traits that mashiach will embody

    #2528179
    pekak
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    @rescue The shevatim donโ€™t represent the months. They arenโ€™t constellations. They were actual live people. All non convert Jews are directly descended from one of the 12 sons of Yaakov Avinu.

    ืœื ื™ืกื•ืจ ืฉื‘ื˜ ืžื™ื”ื•ื“ื” ื•ืžื—ื•ืงืง ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืจื’ืœื™ื•

    #2528892
    rescue
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    Pekak “the shevatim don’t represent the months of the year” you say it with such conviction it must be true.
    I never said they weren’t real people. Hard to have an open mind about differant concepts. Isn’t it

    #2530057
    Shimon Nodel
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    It’s in divrei hayamim. They had a dispute with Dovid hamelech, and they moved somewhere east

    #2530756
    pekak
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    @rescue

    Mashiach isnโ€™t a concept. He will be a living human being. A direct descendant of Dovid Hamelech who was a direct descendant of Yehuda the son of Yaakov Avinu as clearly enumerated in the final pesukim of Megilas Rus. A person can have lots of middos in common with Yehuda but if he isnโ€™t a direct paternal descendant he isnโ€™t of Shevet Yehuda.

    #2530859
    rescue
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    Mashiach is a person who will save humanity…..he will be form the tribe of Judah. Which in my understanding means he will embody the character traits of yehudah. That doesn’t mean he’s going to be Jewish. And anyways a Jewish person can’t be known across the world by everybody simply because it’s improbable

    #2530989
    pekak
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    ื“ืข ืžื” ืฉืชืฉื•ื‘ ืœืืคื™ืงื•ืจืก, ื”ื ื™ ืžื™ืœื™ ื‘ืืคื™ืงื•ืจืก ืขื›ื•ืดื. ืืคื™ืงื•ืจืก ื™ืฉืจืืœ ืฉืื ื™ ื“ืคื•ืงืจ ื˜ืคื™

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