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    rescue
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    The Torah was created to teach you how to live
    Not to take away the foundation of your ability to critically think
    Critical thinking is necessary to make moral choices
    Difficult choices in difficult circumstances
    If you don’t have your critical thinking intact you cannot walk without falling
    If you have to ask authority everytime you breath how can you breathe and live on your own. You can’t.
    You were designed for discernment, learning information and being able to filter that into real life circumstances. That’s why the torah is written in such simplistic language because it doesn’t just cut through to the mind it cuts through the noise and gets to the _heart_ the heart is the seat of the soul the place of discernment where the words on those pages will live as you live and as you live you will understand the wisdom of those words and utilize the depths of its wisdom as you are faced with moral choices every single day
    “Do onto others as you would be done unto you”
    Those words will reverberate in your mind when you are making choices
    “I walk through the valley of the shadow of death but you are still with me”
    That phrase will sit with you despite the harahiop when you feel Devine favor in trying times.
    Words have deep meaning, they are not always meant to be anylayze legalized but understood with the depth of perception that we were given Devinely given perception that was desighned with _you_ in mind. It was never the intent to steal your inteplect,your life or make you a slave. Yet for all intense and purposes you all chose slavery. Makes it’s time to take a step out mitzrayim and into the holy land that is the depth of your true self that’s in alignment with the devine until then you will be chained to the darkness, the madness, the untruth. Time to get out into the light

    #2541184
    qwerty613
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    to rescue

    You write, “The Torah was created to teach you how to live.” How is it that you have this information? Are you a Novi? Or is it just your oppion? sic. BTW your writing bespeaks someone who’s in a psych ward. But I guess that compared to your mongoloid friends you’re probably the smartest one.

    #2541360

    qwerty, as I just mentioned in another thread – look at Beitza 25b

    #2541389
    anIsraeliYid
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    @qwerty613 – lishmo’a, lilmod u’lelamed, lishmor vela’asos. That sure sounds to me like the purpose of the Torah is to teach us how to live – and that is the classic interpretation from Chazal onwards.

    an Israeli Yid

    #2541418
    DaMoshe
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    The Torah was NOT written to teach us how to live. The Torah existed before the world, and even had the world not been created, the Torah would exist. It happens to be the blueprint for everything – the world, how we should act, etc, but that is NOT the purpose of the Torah.
    As for critical thinking, you’re correct, we do need to think critically. But part of that is recognizing that the earlier generations had a much closer connection to the Torah and to Hashem than we do. If I decided to study physics, I wouldn’t just start arguing with Einstein – I’d recognize that he was the expert, and if I disagree, it’s probably a lack of understanding on my part, not his. So too with learning – if my thinking goes against a Tana or Amora, I’d recognize that it’s an issue on my end, not theirs. Chas v’shalom to say that they were wrong!
    Where critical thinking comes into play is when there are modern situations that didn’t exist in the past. Critical thinking is needed to figure out how to take the Torah that was learned in the past, and apply it to the present situations. Most of us are not knowledgeable enough to do this – one needs to have a firm understanding of all the relevant sugyos in order to do this. Only a true talmud chacham can issue a psak in such a case.

    #2541436
    nevuah
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    Why else was the Torah created then.

    #2541499
    nevuah
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    Why are you constantly insulting someone like your better then them. Do you even think about the concepts that they bring to the table or you just spew insults to make yourself feel superior. Because it doesn’t seem to be working

    #2541752
    qwerty613
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    To DaMoshe

    It’s amazing that this atheist rescue has gotten this far with his stupidity, not to mention his Kefirah. It appears that he invented someone he’s calling nevuah to spout his garbage and make it look as if he has supporters. It’s the same obnoxious writing style, but the genius didn’t make any spelling errors so he thinks I’ll be fooled.

    To Always

    What exactly am I looking for in Beitzah 25b. I’m actually learning Beitzah now. I’m on 19a.

    To anIsraeliYid

    You’re taking what he said out of context. Rescue has said on numerous occasions that the Torah is a book of morality. While that’s certainly true, it’s G-d’s morality and not ours. To that point I asked him if he agrees that someone who carries his keys in the street on Shabbos should be put to death, as will be the case when Moshiach comes, and he refused to answer because all the laws of Shabbos undo his central tenet.

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