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Here is a hypothetical question for everyone to ponder.
“Let us assume the Three Oaths (Ketubot 111a) are actually a halacha applicable today and the creation of Medinat Yisrael was a violation of the Oaths.” (A view which I do not hold)
Okay, we and those before us have “sinned” by violating said Oaths. So what should we do now? Leave Eretz Yisrael and move to Chutz L’Aretz? “Absolutely not, because according to that same Gemara, one is not allowed to leave E”Y.”
Whether wrong or not, it appears that Hashem has given his approval to return to the land, b’di’avad.
Which leads me to ask, what other examples in our history did the nation or individual Jews violate the will of Hashem, only to later be judged as acting correctly.
I think I found an example. In Shmuel I, the nation says to Shmuel “תְּנָה־לָּ֥נוּ מֶ֖לֶךְ..”
Hashem tells Shmuel
”…כִּי־אֹתִ֥י מָאֲס֖וּ מִמְּלֹ֥ךְ עֲלֵיהֶֽם”
As a consequence the rule of a human king from the House of David becomes the foundation of Jewish nationalism, which will culminate, G-d willing soon, in the arrival of Mashiach ben David.
I cannot understand how any rational reading of Kesubos 111B could yield the thought that the three shevuos are still in force. Clearly the third oath has been violated by the Umos HaOlam.
In recent months (or maybe weeks), I have avoided
discussing this subject, to avoid endless machlokes.Because sometimes shalom is more important
than being right, or trying to be right.By asking this question, you have risked ruining
a rare De Facto truce on this web site.Sorry about that.
Am Yisroel didnt come back to EY bdieved… thats impossible. It was for sure lichatchila.
If the remnant of Jews living in golus was in Uganada or pakistan or the like, and not in the Islamic Republic of New York, they wouldve long ago found a way out of the 3 shavous that anyway dont apply beacsue of the reason that redleg mentioned.
IAnd B”H the avoda zara of the dollar is being eradicated from the world. For those of you who are not in the category of שאלו שלום ירושלים be aware that your holy dollar buys much less shekels now. If you guys dont wake up soon, there will be no way you will be able to purchase a home in EY. When you run for your lives and need to leave everything behind, you will come to EY and live in tents and then blame the tziyonim for not providing you with proper housing with all the amenities. WAKE UP! and stop telling me all thats wrong in EY. The sitra achra is freaking out becasue its on the verge of detsruction. dont complain. Come and help!!
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