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    simcha613
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    Why was targum shivim/septuagint such a big problem? This wasn’t the first time the Torah was translated. Wasn’t the Torah already translated into 70 languages at the end of Sefer Devorim?

    #1059951
    rebdoniel
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    Perhaps because it was forced on us as an anti-semitic measure, not a voluntary translation.

    I hope people don’t use Asara b”Tevet as an excuse to rail against translated seforim.

    #1059952
    brisket
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    Great kasha, one answer I heard was that when Moshe wrote the sifrei torah at the end of devorim he was able to write it completely on our terms, whereas when we had to write it by the septuagint it on their terms and caused us to have to censor parts of the torah.

    #1059953
    longarekel
    Member

    Good kasha. See Aishel Avraham to megillas taanis – 8 teves. To be honest, I don’t fully understand his answer.

    #1059954
    longarekel
    Member

    I checked further. maseches sofrim 1:7 says they translated for talmai 2 times. The first time it could not be translsated fully correctly. The second time (brought in the gemara megilla 9) they even made 13 major changes. However when it was originally translated in the days of Moshe and Yehoshua it was translated correctly and fully. (interesting that the 13 changes might correspond to the 13 breaches the yevanim made in the bais hamikdash. v’ayain.)

    #1059955
    HaLeiVi
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    Who exactly read Moshe Rabbeinu’s translation, and what did it have? Was it really the Chamisha Chumshei Torah or laws that apply to all?

    #1059956
    MDG
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    • The translation of the Torah makes it lose the nuance of the original Hebrew. You may get Pshat, but Remez, Drash, and Sode are lost.
    • They wanted to make the Torah another piece of world terature.
    • They wanted to analyze our religion from their prospective. They wanted to make our religion like theirs.

    #1059958
    Torah613Torah
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    That’s a really interesting question. I would love to see the place where Moshe Rabbeinu translated the Torah!

    #1059959
    shmendrick
    Member

    I saw an esoteric explanation (which was actually quite fascinating), based on the works of a recognized godol b’Torah, from Likkutei Sichot, vol. XXIV, pp. 1-11.

    It is too long to copy here and can be accessed at http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2237/jewish/The-Day-Before.htm

    #1059960
    mosheklein
    Member

    can someone explain why they gathered “72” sages to this interpretation?

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