Reply To: Hakaras Hatov for Israeli Soldiers (IDF)

Hakatan- you are seriously making me doubt your objective halachic approach now that you are aware of the above info.

Furthermore, the STATE OF ISRAEL “the medina”- although started by many tinok shenishba jews (who were zionists with wrong hahskafos) and some charedim who were li’shem shamayim- DOES NOT EQUAL ZIONISM. ZIONISM IS A BELEIF SYSTEM WHICH IS WRONG ACCORDING TO ALL. THE STATE IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A VIOLATION OF OATHS ACCORDING TO ALL – RATHER TO SOME IT WAS- AND MOST IT WAS NOT.

I specifically asked Hagaon R’ Elya Weintraub of Bnei Brak, ( one of the Gedolei Hador who was against zionsim) if it was muttar to make a state -to which the Rav replied the Satmar Rav held it was a problem and Rav Moshe did not. The question was not would the state be created because of the BD of Klal Yisrael’s decision – rather it was whether or not it was muttar to make a state. Hakatan please don’t make things up about stories you know nothing about – you are simply embarrassing yourself.

Either way, The Moetzes (BD of Klal Yisrael) voted in favor of a state just without accepting smaller EY borders and that we should make state frum. They could not have voted this way if the 3 oaths would be violated, The whole discussion was in reference to the Permission given by the British – who ultimately gave their reshus to the majority UN vote.

The arabs have nothing to do with it — it was not their land it was the british’s land. They( the british) abstained so as to appear not to take sides, but from a pure legal and halacik perspective left the decision to the UN in the first place – so when the UN voted in favor- the British are to be considered as voting in favor.

You write :”Contrary to your wishes, there simply is no “eilu viEilu” by Zionism and the State of Israel. “

My response to you – is of course there is NO eilu vieliu by zionsim – it is wrong for all. The state- to be formed without violating oaths was ,however, eilu vieilu -but majority paskened not to assur.

Lastly , as per haba lihargacha and vi’chai bahem – it was pikuach nefesh not to make a state- because otherwise – the arabs would have tried to kill us all anyways – for example the Mufti of Jerusalem worked with hitler himself. So you see we would have lost lives regardless of what happened – at least this way al pi teva we would have a fighting chance to survive and constituted a milchemes mitzvah defensive battle.

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