Reply To: How we relate to Chillonim vs Neturei Karta

Sam2:

“Giving legitimacy to haters of Jews by letting them say, “see, even your own members think you’re evil” helps bolster anti-Semites’ claims and attitudes, which leads to more people having the confidence and willingness to do things like Kansas City.”

It is nothing short of ridiculous to blame the actions of a 73 year old white supremacist in Kansas on NK meeting with Ahmadinejad. I’m sorry, but that just makes no sense.

“Also, it gives more ammo to people who hate the State of Israel, which can lead to more public opinion against Israel which makes it easier for the UN to pass resolutions against Israel. Which, whether you think the State is a good thing or a horrible evil, does endanger Jewish lives.”

1) The difference in public opinion that NK makes is negligible, if it exists at all. The public at large (accurately) sees them as quacks on the fringe, not as some sort of intellectuals whose opinion should be taken seriously.

2) As anti-Israel as the UN is, there’s B”H not much that it can do that endangers Jewish lives. Biased resolutions are rarely fatal.

jbaldy:

Holocaust denial is a result of anti-semitism, not a cause of it. Nobody’s ever decided to hate Jews because they don’t think the Holocaust happened; it’s usually the other way around.

besalel: Agreed.

zdad:

“You asked if I thought they were Rashaim and I answered you that unless they deliberatly broke the law and were in your face about it (as opposed to ignorance) I said no.”

As DY pointed out, whether somebody is “in your face” about it or not has nothing to do with being a tinok shenishba. The rough definition of a tinok shenishba is somebody who, due to their upbringing, doesn’t know any better.

“I can tell you the following, If someone grew up non-religious and went to public and at some point in their life came into contact with religious people and the religious person wished to maybe Mekarev them. Calling them a Rasha is not the way to do it.”

1) You’re the only one who used the label rasha; everybody else just questioned where you draw the line.

2) If someone grew up NK and went to public and at some point in their life came into contact with anti-NK people and the anti-NK person wished to maybe Mekarev them. Calling them a Rasha is not the way to do it.