mikehall:
So you are saying:
You support people’s freedom to raise chazir in E”Y so long as they don’t physically harm anyone.
You do not conscribe to the saying kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh.
You believe that provided they greases the wheels, E”Y shuold have access to our children.
You disagree with the Yerushalmi that I brought earlier.
As to your question. You know, I think America is wrong for instituting the Blue Laws but I have no qualms with taking money from them. The Israeli government is no different.
Charliehall:
AS g_a_w said, yes I mean those hashkafos that are neged the ones that I learn from my Rebbeim.
However I would like to add that there is a difference between R’ Kook, R’ JB Soloveitchik, (don’t know R’ Reines) etc and Rav Aurbach, the Satmer Rav, Rav Elyashiv et al.
The difference is that there was no room for conversation between the former and the latter:
-When R’ Kook’s views became known Rav Hutner distanced himself from Rav Kook.
-On the other hand I heard from a firsthand witness that that after the Satmar Rav left the room that Rav Ahron Kutler was in someone commented that ‘now that the Satmer Rebbe left we can really talk’ to which Rav Ahron said ‘now that the Satmer Rebbe left, there is no one left to talk to’.
-Rav Shach privately agreed with anti-zionists but felt that there was more toeles to making the party.
Over here in E”Y at least the dichotomy between these two camps is quite clear. With the exception of Lubavitchers themselves, anyone who follows the first group does not call themselves chareidi while those in the second do.