Sam2 – you write, “To start, I find it unlikely that you would claim R’ Kook and R’ Soloveitchik as “Chareidim” in any other context, whatever that means. “
That is an unfair assumption. Furthermore, you are wrong. I have the utmost esteem for Rav Kook zt”l. I may not follow his derech, but that doesn’t mean I don’t recognize his greatness.
You write, “And your claim that “Bnei Torah” (which is quite an insulting term used in contrast to his son)…”
I’m “assuming” you think I meant “Chareidim” when I wrote “Bnei Torah”. I never had that in mind. May I remind you that Hesder Yeshivas have Avreichim as well (of course, you call them Rabbinical students instead of Avreichim, but it’s the same thing. Long term dedication to the Study of Torah). Yes, it’s true that the Hesder Yeshivas have them on a lesser scale, but why are you denigrating their learning? Go to Yeshivat Mercaz HaRav and you will see that they also learn and pray with real Yirat Shamiyim.