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HaLeiVi
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Are you purposely adding words to my point to dissolve it? I didn’t mention anything about voluntary. Even in the Midbar there were those who deserved to die and did. The idea is about being evident and not just a matter of what someone believes. Murder is considered to be self evidently wrong and immoral (so far). Does that mean nobody murders? Nobody steals? Are our jails empty?

As for taking over before Moshiach, as I said, that is Moshiach. The criteria for Moshiach is restoring Torah and Avodah, per the Rambam. So Malei Haaretz De’ah Ess Hashem will be here the same time as Torah rule.

Besides, the Chazon Ish considers anyone born irreligious to be a Tinok Shenishba, since they never had a fair shot at truly understanding what the Torah is. So, Kiruv would continue as usual. And no stoning, killing, beheading or any other stereotype you might want to borrow from other cultures.

Do you think we never had autonomous rule? Was that ISIS?