Reply To: Shout-Out to Sam2

The first three are from the thread I was reading. I’m not quoting the interspersed remarks.

You should just stick with the Ta’anah that the Rambam is a relatively minority opinion and that later authorities have mostly rejected his Derech. Saying that he did retract and/or would retract if he knew Kaballah is very Dachuk at best and borders on insulting to the Rambam’s position. I don’t know who (if anyone) says that the Moreh is meant to be learned Al Pi Sod but, to be frank, [I’m not going to finish this sentence, but insert harsh phrase here].

I didn’t say that it is reliable to hold like the Rambam in this, only that claiming that the Rambam didn’t say what he said is, well, ridiculous. The Rambam was never Chozer. It just didn’t happen. To think that the most important Chazarah in history could have happened and no one knew for 700 years is a joke. Someone tricked the Chidah. I do not know what the Radziner said, but once again, saying that the Rambam wrote Al Pi Sod is just wrong. Laughably so. To say that is an insult to the Rambam and what he held. Until you show me the Radziner inside, I won’t believe he said that. And if he did, well, then I’m sure the Rambam gave him a good correction in Yeshivah Shel Ma’alah.

The “Chazarah” never happened. The Rambam (who wrote until the end of his life) and none of his correspondents nor his son mention it anywhere. So either the Chida was wrong or was mislead. I chose to go with the latter. If you want to claim the former, that’s on you.

And my personal favorite (not from the same thread):

I would just like to point out that you are making a gross insult against Torah learning. “The RIshonim employ Lashon that to us is misleading.”??!! That’s a joke. Why ever learn? It should be Assur to open a Rishon by your logic unless you are a Gadol, because you know that you will potentially distort the Torah to the opposite of what it means. It’s ridiculous. It’s absurd. Sit down and learn the Rishonim. They are very clear in what they say. And we have Achronim to point out when they are potentially apparently being Soseir themselves and what the potential reasons for that are. But the RIshonim mean the opposite of what they say? It’s a joke. Go invent your own Torah and claim that’s what a Rishon really means because, after all, we can’t know what it means. (Unless we’re a “Gadol” and have “Da’as Torah”. But how could we get that in the first place if we misunderstood all the Rishonim until we achieved that point.) Honestly, you have nothing to add to this discussion. Say you don’t know enough to discuss this Sugya. That’s fine. But don’t go around throwing made-up axioms into a Sugya that do nothing but distort actual Talmud Torah.