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Sam2
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mw13: There never was a “gay tolerance” club at YU. There was a “tolerance club” whose stated goals were related to being nicer to everyone you disagree with, not gays in particular. When the one guy who really pushed the club graduated the club disbanded.

HaKatan: Once again, nebulous statements don’t further a discussion. We can talk about what R’ Soloveitchik “forgot” and try to figure out Pshat, or you can just quote personal attacks and hide behind them. And if it’s about Zionism, then that’s an old Machlokes and there’s no real way to take it further.

And yes, I do not think there is anything inherently Assur about an event/speech/whatever where both men and (almost-always appropriately-dressed) women will both be in attendance. And if singles are meeting in a Kosher environment, all the better.

Joseph: That’s been my point since the day I got here. “MO” doesn’t really exist. It’s an excuse that people who want to say “I’m better than you” use towards people who do some things slightly differently.

If you ask any YU Rosh Yeshivah or respected “MO” Rav what the real ideological differences are between YU and Lakewood, the answer you will get is “nothing” (or attitude towards the Medinah, I guess). There are some practical differences in how Lechatchilah getting a job is or how much we gain from secular studies or whatever, but the underlying ideology is the same Torah.